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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. gatorpa

    gatorpa GC Hall of Fame

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    It was some what tongue in check.
    No more so that the fact that Trump was actually turned to his scientists and was asking them a question..."are we looking into doing this", he didn't stand there and say go do this. It's pretty clear if you actually watch the video (which I doubt 80%) actually did.

    It's sad that some people can't tell or chose not to note the difference of someone asking a question and making a statement of fact because they are so filled with dislike/hate.
     
  2. gatorpa

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    That was my thought also..

    Good thing the majority of the US isn't like NYC
     
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  3. dangolegators

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    I watched the video and there is no spinning the idiocy of his statements. He is a very very dumb man.
     
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  4. gatorpa

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    It's medicare fraud if they "up charge".
    I smell whistle blower cases all over the place.
     
  5. VAg8r1

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    Exactly and the 5 million estimate of users of mass transit is actually on the low side. Over 5.4 million persons use the NYC subway system daily, most of whom are standing or sitting within a foot or so of each other and that number doesn't include passengers who use the city's buses (1.8 million) or the other commuter train systems such as the Long Island Railroad, PATH, Metro North or the New Jersey Railroad.
    A picture being worth a thousand words, a typical NYC subway station.
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  6. gatorpa

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    Its very odd, many of my far left friends think that he wants to inject biotrackers as part of his vaccine program....
    I am missing something?
     
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  7. gatorpa

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    How about this a soft reopen, the people with highest risk for increased morbidity and mortality STAY HOME.
    The lowest risk out and about with distancing, those people have a better chance of building up the herd immunity so when the fall comes and it likely returns its isn't so wide spread. We already have pretty good evidence that 10-20% have exposure with little or no symptoms.

    We aren't going to have a vaccine for at least a year.

    There isn't a perfect answer, then we do the next best thing.
     
  8. GatorNorth

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    For pandemics? Yup. It's an absolute nightmare. Unlike anywhere else in the US, except I've read upwards of 1 million people have vacated New York alone (including our daughter 7 weeks ago).

    For the economy? Metro NYC area GDP is 2x South Korea's with less than half the population.

    Everything is relative.

    Between NYC in general, Florida spring break and Mardi Gras, I'm sure there were a ton of super spreaders who brought this disease everywhere in North America.
     
  9. sas1988

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    This sounds like the way to go, realistically.
     
  10. NavyGator93

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    Not sure. Lots of crazy people out there who believe crazy stuff.
     
  11. AzCatFan

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    We need widespread testing so we can isolate those who get sick, and identify those with antibodies. But with COVID being communicable a week to 10 days before onset of symptoms, even allowing those who don't "feel" sick out and about will increase infection. It's simple math. The more people a person interacts with, the greater the chance of infection. The more the people the first person interacts with (2nd degree of separation), the greater the chance of infection. And even those with high risk factors have to interact somehow with people, unless they completely isolate themselves. But even grocery, food, and necessities deliveries are interactions.

    As for Seattle versus NYC and L. A., we can look at a couple of factors. First is flights that originated from China that landed in each city. LAX is one and SFO is two on the list, but if you add JFK and EWR, both which service the greater New York City area, they would actually be number two on the list. We also know that NYC was likely seeded with the virus from Italy versus China, and if you added daily flights that originated from Italy from the same time, the New York area would likely be first.

    Another factor is public transportation use. In Seattle, a metro area with about 4 million, there are 400,000 public bus trips daily. There is also the monorail downtown, as well as Microsoft owned busses that carry over 4,000 employees daily. By issuing the stay at home order earlier, Seattle stopped over 2 million public transportation trips. We all know how widespread the subway is used in NYC, and honestly, I couldn't find any LA daily use numbers. But as a percentage of the population, public transit use in NYC>Seattle>Los Angeles.

    The New Yorker article stated that had NYC acted earlier, it might have saved 50% or more of the people who died. Almost all other major US cities aren't as dense as NYC, but they resemble more Seattle than they do Los Angeles in terms of population density and public transit use.
     
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  12. buckeyegator

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    no being an expert, how long does it take to make a covid19test, and how mass produced can they be?also, how is it determined where the tests will be done, and how long should a average test result be known?
     
  13. oragator1

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    Well we officially crossed 1 million confirmed cases in the US.
    All from one single cell so small it wasn’t even visible, that mutated and spread it’s descendants around the whole planet.

    pretty amazing if you think about it.
     
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  14. vaxcardinal

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    even the Bronx Zoo had more cases than the LA zoo :eek:
     
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  15. vaxcardinal

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    its not like that all the time, just rush hour.
     
  16. OaktownGator

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    LA is all spread out with little use of public transit.

    NYC is far more congested and far heavier use of public transit. People on top of each other sharing each other's germs.

    NYC probably also has more international travelers in the mix.

    (edi) I see I'm late to the party and North explained in detail.
     
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  17. duchen

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    The peak in Miami Dade was supposed to be between April 23 and May 1 under the models.
     
  18. duchen

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    In law, that would be an admission that his hoax, 15 cases or zero etc. statements were fraudulent. Sadly, people believed him and acted to their detriment.
     
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  19. leftcoastgator

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    That’s not how it works. Your numbers and logic are fundamentally wrong.

    Most of L.A. County is uninhabited mountains and high desert.

    However, the City of Los Angeles has a population density of 8,500 per mi2, East L.A. 16,700 per mi2, and Hollywood is 24,000 mi2.

    Koreatown near downtown LA has a density of 43,000 per mi2.

    Still not as dense as NY but far higher than your flawed inclusion of mountainous wilderness.

    As for overall metropolitan areas, here’s what the US Census Bureau had to say:

    “The nation's most densely populated urbanized area is Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, Calif., with nearly 7,000 people per square mile. The San Francisco-Oakland, Calif., area is the second most densely populated at 6,266 people per square mile, followed by San Jose, Calif. (5,820 people per square mile) and Delano, Calif. (5,483 people per square mile). The New York-Newark, N.J., area is fifth, with an overall density of 5,319 people per square mile.”

    There are a lot of ways to look at area population. But yours at 2,400 and equivalent to El Paso is clearly way off.
     
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  20. duchen

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    New York was seeded in mid February before anyone knew it and when the national government was saying that the problem was under control. New York was already in trouble before it knew it. Seattle knee there were cases when it shut down.
     
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