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Israel strikes Iran (Update: US Bombs Iran at #848)

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by g8orbill, Jun 12, 2025.

  1. gator_jo

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    That's a clear and principled stance—denouncing lying and deception across the board, no matter who commits it or what side they're on. Holding all public figures and institutions to the same standard is essential for genuine accountability and trust in public discourse.

    Your mention of AI and the importance of transparency there is also timely. Misusing AI—especially to deceive others by passing off generated content as personal work or authentic footage—undermines trust and can have serious consequences. Upholding honesty and clarity in how we use technology is just as important as holding people accountable for their words and actions.

    If you'd like, I can help examine specific claims to distinguish between misunderstanding, misinformation, and deliberate deception—no matter who made them.
     
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    Another canard that isn’t even hard to research. First, it was primarily a British, not American, operation (with some fair justifications that always get left out of the story) that you are referring to. Second, and this is the key part everyone leaves out, the small Western part played to support the Shaw in deposing his prime minister failed. The Shaw had already fled into exile. Mossaddegh was actually deposed by the mullahs (yes, the same mullahs who would seize power in 1979) after the Shaw had already fled. The mullahs had to call him back to resume power. The notion that we inadvertently created the Islamic Revolution is a complete fiction.
     
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  4. Contra

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    56% AI generated per an AI checker.
     
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    That guy lifted the timeline from Climate Activists on the world ending. Everyone be afraid, all the time, everywhere.
     
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    I would like to know what Richter scale reading would have registered at the Fordow site as those MOPs introduced themselves to the local geography. Shoot, Utah fans registered an equivalent 1.5 at their stadium when they beat us in SLC. I wonder if that kind of info might tell us about what happened below ground at Fordow.
     
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    BOGO!
     
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  10. gator_jo

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    Highly inaccurate checker. :)
     
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    ^^^

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    Regardless of whether it was a British operation with American assistance, I see it as the nexus of today's issues in the Middle East. All the Shah's Men was a good read.
     
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    Why because it was 100% AI generated and you put it through a humanizer?
     
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    Except that literally none of that is true. But I’ll admit, it’s a seductive narrative. Beats having to talk about a “black man” being duped by the Iranian government (because the IRGC, like, doesn’t count as part of the government, right?) or same “black man” not wanting to admit he had been duped after the incontrovertible evidence had been placed before him. I’m happy to move on from the mistakes of the Iran deal and leave it as a well-meaning mistake, made in good faith by us with a bad actor, but if you keep floating the canard that it was working for anyone but Iran, I’m going to keep shooting it down.
     
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  20. uftaipan

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    I suppose you can see it however you want. The Western role in it failed. The mullahs overthrew the Prime Minister and made the Shah absolute ruler of Iran, not the British nor the Americans. And the other side of that coin was that the Soviet Union was backing the Prime Minister, who was not as “democratically elected” as you’ve probably been led to believe. There’s a reason that the Shah, the West, and the mullahs all independently concluded he was a problem. And there’s a reason there was not some great popular resistance to the Prime Minister being deposed. He was a problem. He was losing support among his key holders. He made a desperate move to regain popularity by nationalizing (fancy word for stealing) British property in Iran in exchange for Soviet favor. This was, of course, not only a non-starter for the U.S. and UK but also against Iranian law. The Shah attempted to remove the Prime Minister through constitutional means and the Prime Minister refused to be removed, threatening to declare himself head of a republic instead. That was what triggered the failed coup to which you refer. And the mullahs stepped in primarily to keep the Soviet Union, which had occupied Iran during WW2, from having an excuse to come back in. I’m not saying Western actions were perfectly ethical, but they were wholly understandable in context. And Mossaddegh was not the Iranian Ghandi that people want to make him in retrospect.
     
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