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Your All-time "Most Oft Criticized" Team

Discussion in 'Nuttin' but Net' started by gatordavisl, Jun 2, 2019.

  1. tegator80

    tegator80 GC Hall of Fame

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    To me there has to be two lists. The first, and to me the only one that makes any sense, was a player who was criticized for not being what we wanted or needed but was genuine in his game. Call it the "All-Unmet-Expectations Team."

    So on that list I have:

    Dan Werner
    Kasey Hill
    Kenny Boynton
    Erving Walker
    Kevarrius Hayes
    Patric Young (first 3 years)
    And from the bench: Cliff Richards (Chris's evil twin) and Jon Horford. Cliff gets dinged because he wasn't an '04. We were pretty damn arrogant and Jon was NOT his brother.

    The other list is the "All-Brainfart Team" whose game didn't match their skills. At least from a Gator perspective:

    Christian Drejer - nice player for the European soccer game.
    Chris Walker - just plain not mentally prepared
    Devin Robinson - sometimes very good is NOT good enough
    Mareese Speights - lazy in practice and it showed in endurance
    Chase Johnson - damn the concussions, full steam ahead!
    Jalen Hudson - Could have been and may still be an NBA player
    Keith Stone - a ballerina with a linebacker's body
    and off the bench Mario Boggan - can't be great only after you leave and not make the team.
     
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  2. jrcg8tor

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    Always disappointing when you are rolling through a thread wondering how this guy could have been missed and then a few posts from the last one someone drops the name you were going to go with.

    I remember about the time I got out of school Florida got a player from NYC, Mike Milligan, that was ambidextrous that was supposed to be a really big recruit. I had visions of the next Bernard King. He never quote measured up. Played 3 years and transferred.
     
  3. jrcg8tor

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    Ric with no k would have never had a chance to be the hero of that LSU game had Reggie Hannah not had a pair of cement blocks for hands.
     
  4. akaGatorhoops

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    Erv?
     
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  5. tegator80

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    He was too short to be a physically dominant PG and not fast enough to be one of those pesky fly types. Call it "not a Kentucky type"
     
  6. akaGatorhoops

    akaGatorhoops VIP Member GC Columnist

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    You are tough!
    He was all time assist leader until passed by chiozza in 2018.
    And he is the#4 all-time scorer in program history.

    Erv would get ripped for shot selection and such, but I could never put him on a list of “unmet expectations”.
     
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  7. OklahomaGator

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    Dan Werner-----rooted so much for him to be successful. Thought he was great on the defensive end, but struggled offensively.
     
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  8. tampajack1

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    Erv was 2nd-team All-SEC 3 years in a row. As for speed, Billy Donovan said that Jason Williams and Erv were the 2 fastest baseline to baseline players to ever play for him.
     
  9. diamondted13

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    Yeah, I was trying to figure out how a slow, 5'8 kid could have the career he had.
     
  10. diamondted13

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    He was pretty damn pesky! Are you thinking of Jai Lucas or someone else?
     
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    Ray Shipman, he was playing the wrong sport
     
  12. tegator80

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    Man, tough crowd. I think there is some romantic remembrance rather than the way it was. Yes, he could have been a pre-KeVaughn Allen in that his ability to take over games was stunted by his mental shortcomings, but I remember a guy who was fearless in taking "that shot" and so I don't see the resemblance.

    I won't fight the stats, or the "feel good", about Walker but I do remember that we wanted a guy who would blow past the defense with impunity because he was short and supposedly shifty but I do not remember any games when we were in awe from how he made the other team look like fools. Jason Williams? yep. Erv? I remember a BUNCH of times when the "when is he going to wow us?" discussion was on the forum.
     
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  13. tampajack1

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    2 Elite Eights with Erv at the point. Incredible shot against UCLA in one of them as he bounced off of Josh Smith. One of the better players in Gator history.
     
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  14. reaves2alvarez

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    Dan Werner in a romp. Distant second. Erv running down the clock at the end of the half or game, and shooting a 3 six feet behind the arc.
    Winner. Also Erv for standing around dribbling at the end of halves or games and shooting a 35 foot three for the “win.”:confused:

    “Wes Chandler was Percy Harvin before Percy Harvin was born.”
     
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    “Cliff” that made me laugh out loud.
    Nat Moore is that really you?

    “Wes Chandler was Percy Harvin before Percy Harvin was born.”
     
  16. tampajack1

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    You’re criticism of Erv is actually criticism of Billy Donovan. He’s calling the plays. Plus, how many of those 35 foot shots do you think Erv actually took. I would be surprised if he took more than 5 long shots at end time, maybe 1 or 2 of which were actually 30 feet or more; and a couple of them probably went in.
     
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  17. regurgigator

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    For some, unfortunately the criticism continues... :cool:


    I'll go against the grain and say (as I have before) that I loved Drejer's game before he quit on us and thought the criticism he received while he was playing was as off-target as it's possible to get. The board constantly criticized (almost to Werner levels) an all-around skilled player who was leading the team in assists, was second in rebounding, and third in scoring. His game against UK, where he was robbed at the end of his 11th assist which would have won the game for us, was a thing of beauty that I'll never forget. People couldn't forgive Drejer for not meeting the expectations that Donovan created by saying he was the best player he had ever recruited. I know that most don't consider assists and rebounding to be very exciting, but I'm also betting Drejer would have looked more like that explosive, high-scoring player everyone wanted to see if he hadn't had the injury and the complications that followed. Even so, I loved the player he still managed to be for us...

    ...until he left.
     
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  18. diamondted13

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  19. channingcrowderhungry

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    Healthy and engaged Drejer was indeed a basketball delight, but it was few and far between. Him leaving was a major low point though during that basketball run.
     
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    Criticized but really not Div 1 caliber