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Your All-time "Most Oft Criticized" Team

Discussion in 'Nuttin' but Net' started by gatordavisl, Jun 2, 2019.

  1. gatordavisl

    gatordavisl VIP Member

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    This is a collection of players you may feel sentimental about, but who also took their fair share of criticism here (basketball or otherwise) on the boards. Mine:

    PG - Kasey Hill: Great kid, played four years, terrific attitude, tremendous athlete
    SG - Vernon: Deserves the criticism; including him strictly as a great player
    SF - Casey Prather: Didn't get much heat here, but wasn't a great shooter early in his career. Really came on as an athletic difference maker late in his Gator tenure.
    PF - Kevarius Hayes: Should have always been a four. TERRIFIC kid and great defender. Gimme that $&it!
    C - Isaiah Stokes: His chapter is not yet written, but he has outstanding potential. Can't wait to see him rise n shine next season.

    Honorable Mention: Erv Walker (PG), Bonnell Colas (C), Marti Kuisma (F), Bret Nelson (G)
    I don't include a particular oft-bashed player here (circa '09) because he never did fulfill his potential. I also ran into him downtown G'ville and will just say I was less than impressed.

    The team above would have a hard time stretching the floor in the half-court, but would be a great defensive & transition offense team.
     
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    Ladarius Halton caught much grief for being a high school superstar, collegiate shrinking violet. A lot of fans thought it was the knee condition, I always believed his confidence was shot apart from the knees.
     
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  3. channingcrowderhungry

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    I'm curious if your 09 guy is Werner or Calathes? Probably Werner, who took it worse on these boards than any player I can remember.

    My starting PG is Calathes. I'll die on the hill of him being incredibly underappreciated.
     
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    GatorPlanet GC Hall of Fame

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    Any player from the pre-message board era is automatically out of the argument.
     
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  5. akaGatorhoops

    akaGatorhoops VIP Member GC Columnist

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    Im not necessarily a huge fan of each player on this list, but this is my best team collection of oft-critiqued Gators....

    Calathes
    Walker
    Walsh
    Tyus
    Speights
     
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  6. oragator1

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    Werner
    Colas
    Nelson
    Walsh
    Chris Walker
     
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  7. regurgigator

    regurgigator VIP Member

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    In order:

    1. Werner - solid player in many ways for us who got waaaaaaay more criticism than deserved. (including the backhanded criticism of him by criticizing Donovan for having to play a player who "didn't belong" in the SEC)
    2. Calathes - great player for us who deserves much better IMO.
    3. Hill - solid playmaker and and defender, who did a lot more for us in crunch time than many gave him credit for
    4. Walker - turned into a pretty good point guard and was always willing to take the crunch-time shot
    5. Boynton - constantly berated for his shooting, which wasn't that bad - and he did so much else for us.

    Nembhard is in danger of hitting this list. Gets a lot of criticism despite having the 4th highest single-season assist total in Gator history (and despite an offense-challenged team). Should be okay if the team does as well as hoped next season, but look out if it doesn't (will be similar to Calathes' situation).
     
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  8. MadduxFanII

    MadduxFanII GC Hall of Fame

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    I'll be buried on that hill with you, man. Calathes had the bad luck of coming on board when the team took a downturn, and because point guards are treated like quarterbacks he was basically blamed for the post-championship doldrums.
     
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  9. regurgigator

    regurgigator VIP Member

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    I was going to ask why Vernon Delancey deserved criticism, but then the SG designation cleared it up for me. :cool:


    Maybe so, but the Gator home crowds used to be brutal to Ric Clarson for some reason.
     
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  10. GatorLurker

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    Dan Werner.

    Thread over.
     
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    Bonnell Colas. I know folks always complained about his hand but his teammates NEVER got the ball to him after rolling off a screen and being wide open in the paint more often than not. He played with some very selfish teammates that had me screaming at the TV.
     
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    g8wayg8r All American

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    Not after that LSU game. His shot was kind of flat at times.

    I always thought Brewster caught it worse.
     
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    Well if the cameras were flipped, folks might have a different view of these players
     
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  14. gatordavisl

    gatordavisl VIP Member

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    Interesting that you include Tyus and Speights. The latter wasn't around long enough to really get high heat. I thought he was a heck of a player anyway. Tyus suffered the "I'm not a center" tragedy more than perhaps any other Gator. He really played tough his senior year on a thin roster.
     
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  15. gatordavisl

    gatordavisl VIP Member

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    Yeah, but I'm interested in players you think would make a decent team. Guess I didn't specify that in the OP. Would you pick Werner at your three, given some of the other options (ex. James White)?
     
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  16. gatordavisl

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    It's not Calathes. ;)
     
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    Two guys who stuck out to me immediately were Kasey Hill and Dan Werner. Both were put in rather unfair situations because they were not only replacing Gator legends (Wilbekin and Noah/Horford) but also legendary teams, and ours fans wanted scapegoats. While I agree they had their struggles and underperformed for four years, underachievers are just part of the game. Doesn't mean that they deserved as much negativity as they received.

    PG Kasey Hill - (above)
    SG Anthony Roberson - All I hear when he's mentioned is "we were better without him". This guy was close to getting SEC POY and yet he's not even in the discussion for best Gator PG. I think people rank our players more so based on the team success which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
    SF Matt Walsh - A lot of people were jealous of him and the treatment from rival fans was unmatched by all except Noah. Yes he came off as cocky and had a playmate girlfriend. But I've heard so many say that our team was better off without him. Maybe, maybe not. Doesn't mean that he wasn't a good player for us while the 04s were busy developing.
    PF Chris Walker - Many were upset at him because of him not living up to his star status which in their minds might've costed us another title.
    C Dan Werner - (above)
     
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  18. gatordavisl

    gatordavisl VIP Member

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    Nice list, but I think Werner was what, 6'7"? I think he was more of a three than a center.
     
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    Pretty sure he was at least our PF.
     
  20. gatordavisl

    gatordavisl VIP Member

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    Chris Walker does not make my list (thought I was tempted) because he just didn't perform well enough on the court. Great athletic ability, but not a great athlete.