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Wiseman eligible.... ineligible...????

Discussion in 'Nuttin' but Net' started by akaGatorhoops, Nov 8, 2019.

  1. akaGatorhoops

    akaGatorhoops VIP Member GC Columnist

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    an injunction has him playing tonite, but it doesn’t look good.
     
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  2. 62gator

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  3. GatorPlanet

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    "We cheat and we're proud of it and we're going to cheat and there's nothing you do to stop us." -- Memphis University.
     
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  4. channingcrowderhungry

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    I kind of liked that Memphis came in and started pooping all over UK and Duke's 5 star buffet. I'm sure I'll be sick of them in a year but for now I enjoy it
     
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  5. orangeblue_coop

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    Oh well, Wiseman can sit back and train for the NBA, screw the NCAA.
     
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  6. diamondted13

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    Isn't this more or less what happened with Zion? Memo to Memphis: Don't you dare try and pull the same stuff as Duke and expect to get away with it. You are, after all, in the AAC not the ACC.
     
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  7. jrcg8tor

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    There is really nothing to see here. It was clearly caused by an unintentional math error which could happen to any of us. Sure his family was paid $11,500 to move from Nashville to Memphis, but it is not a big deal if you ask some easy questions.
    1. How far is it from Nashville to Memphis? 211 miles.
    2. What was the IRS standard mileage rate 2 years ago? It was .545 per mile (fifty four and a half cents).
    3. Is it easy to sometimes, especially considering the stress of such a big move, easy to confuse cents and dollars? Absolutely.
    4. What is $54.50 times 211 miles? $11,500.

    There you go.

    Let the person who has never made a math error cast the first stone. This was just an innocent error that any of us could have made.
     
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  8. dontpanic

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    Nice one jrc. Of course, if you've ever done taxes, you realize that the IRS allows all sorts of expenses when a family is moving. Almost never would add up to $11,500 for 211 miles, but a lot more than the $115 for mere Auto Expense. Really, for a Tax Consultant (which I did professionally for 2 years, and for friends for about 40 years), it's Moving Expenses that gain you a lot of clients because most people end up with large refunds due to the Moving Expense offset against income. Additionally, many people more for higher paying jobs which means more available $$$ to them, so they really look at you positively.
     
  9. INGATORSWETRUST

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    Penny is a booster for Memphis. Can’t pay 11,000 plus in relo expenses to Memphis
     
  10. GatorPlanet

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    Simple solution: Place Memphis on probation, effective immediately, with forfeiture of all games they play with or without Wiseman.
    You know he's the head coach, right?
     
  11. nobbqsauce

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    He wasn't when he "loaned" the money to Wiseman...he was named HC shortly thereafter....
     
  12. INGATORSWETRUST

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    Whether booster when an AAU coach or HC now, you can’t give $11,000 or more to move a player and his family to Memphis and potentially influence his college choice.
     
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  13. 33hoop

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    I bet Memphis will regret their decision to play him. NCAA will get the final say in this and it may be a post season ban.
     
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  14. jeffphillips21

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    Seemed a bit strange he was able to play last night (or that the university said screw you to the NCAA). Penny pretty much openly admitted to paying his family's $11k moving expenses. Wonder with all the states allowing players to get paid for using their likeness, if this is the start of schools thumbing their noses at the NCAA for payments such as these
     
  15. jrcg8tor

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    They have been reducing what is deductible related to moving expenses in recent years and under the new law in 2018 and forward only military can take moving expense.
     
  16. phideltdj

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    Memphis can keep playing him but if the NCAA doesn't have to let you in the tourney which is the ultimate card to be played. Players will not go to Memphis if they can't play in the tourney, they can get paid by Duke, Kansas, UK and the rest of the blue bloods and still play in the tourney.
     
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  18. merinker

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    Lol what did the NCAA do wrong here?
     
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  19. REM08

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    I'm pretty torn on this whole Wiseman thing. Maybe not torn but do feel two ways about it.

    1). Wiseman clearly SHOULD be ineligible. Even Memphis isn't contesting what the NCAA believes he took money for. Penny being the coach, or even a past booster, doesn't even technically matter. It just makes this story even juicer. Memphis is doing the exact opposite of how other programs handle these types of situations. When the NCAA states that a player's eligibility is in question, other schools sit that player, maybe investigate if needed, and apply for reinstatement. This is simply what is done. This is even what is done in cases where the school thinks the player should be eligible. Maybe the exceptions were Smart at LSU and Ayton at Arizona last year but that was late in the year and those players would have likely been ineligible for a long time. Memphis isn't playing the game.

    2). I kinda like that Memphis is doing the "middle fingers up" approach to the NCAA though. Per the rules, Wiseman shouldn't be elligible (granted, 11 grand shouldn't make him ineligible all year). But I don't think this should be the rule in the first place and part of me likes that this could be a catalyst for change.


    Think about it. The NCAA just essentially told Memphis not to play Wiseman and Memphis is saying F-you we're playing him anyways! There really isn't anything the NCAA can do about this either. Per Gary Parrish, who interviewed college compliance people and AD's, per the NCAA's rules, they can send a letter of inquiry and then a NOA - to which Memphis has 60 days to respond. No one seems to believe the NCAA can act in real time and really impact Memphis's year this year. Its possible that all that comes of this is that Memphis later vacates whatever they do this year and it appears they're content with this. Crazy situation.
     
  20. REM08

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    Except that those other schools actually sit players who the NCAA tells them to sit.

    I'm also not sure the NCAA could/would keep Memphis from the tourney this year. I imagine they could in theory but it'd have to mean acting with speed they've never shown before.