Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

why are so many fully vacinated testing positive?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by buckeyegator, Jul 17, 2021.

  1. tampajack1

    tampajack1 Premium Member

    6,297
    614
    458
    Apr 3, 2007
    I am guessing around 70. Believe it or not, my wife knows another couple who went to dinner indoors with this couple before the symptoms surfaced, and the husband of the second couple contracted the virus and needed to be hospitalized and put on oxygen. He’s okay now. My wife told me that the second couple were about 70-years old, So, I am guessing that the first couple also would have been senior citizens. The obituary had not shown up in the Tampa Bay Times as of yesterday.
     
    • Informative Informative x 2
  2. tampajack1

    tampajack1 Premium Member

    6,297
    614
    458
    Apr 3, 2007
    • Agree Agree x 10
    • Informative Informative x 2
  3. VAg8r1

    VAg8r1 GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 8, 2007
    Waiting for Trump to hold a MAGA rally with priority seating for unvaccinated attendees who elect to go maskless.
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  4. VAg8r1

    VAg8r1 GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 8, 2007
    Speaking only for myself while I would certainly feel very badly if anyone I knew who refused to be vaccinated passed away as the result of a Covid-19 infection but I also consider his/her death an avoidable tragedy attributable to wilful ignorance much that same way I would feel about someone who refused to use a seat belt and died in an automobile accident when said death would have been fully preventable had the individual bothered to buckle up.
     
  5. BLING

    BLING GC Hall of Fame

    6,272
    388
    1,358
    Apr 16, 2007
    It actually seems a bit crazy, considering almost nobody is beyond 6 months from being “fully vaccinated”. Most data I see suggests the immunity is still strong.

    But I always figured at about the 1 year mark it would start waning, none of the “experts” I saw predicted lifetime immunity. Testing out boosters now makes perfect sense. Unless there is some overall drastic collapse of immunity they are seeing, I’m not sure how they can justify rushing out 3rd doses under an emergency use unless it’s part of a trial. Of course if the vaccines all work the same, I’d expect an emergency use to be not far off. But it seems early.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  6. mutz87

    mutz87 p=.06 VIP Member

    37,240
    32,268
    2,696
    Aug 30, 2014
    I hear you. I assumed we'd all need a booster shot at some point. But my immediate reaction is that some will perceive it as Pfizer doing this for $$$, but I think what they're more concerned about is that the effectiveness of their vaxx remains in the high 90s with the Delta strain.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Like Like x 1
  7. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

    21,184
    9,379
    1,958
    Aug 26, 2008
    Damn. That's just scary and sad.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  8. flgator2

    flgator2 GC Hall of Fame

    2,014
    241
    468
    Apr 3, 2007
    I bet you really do hope for that, you old people got so much hate inside
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
  9. GatorNorth

    GatorNorth Premium Member Premium Member

    14,316
    7,158
    1,718
    Apr 3, 2007
    Atlanta
    As lo
    As long as 30-40% of the country remains unvaccinated, these variants will be a problem as there are 100-125 million potential remaining hosts to allow the virus to continue to mutate and proliferate. And as a result, we are all at some level of risk. Cases in the US have tripled the past 3 weeks.

    The polio vaccine didn't eliminate the virus, but it eliminated the hosts.

    Delta won't be the last covid-19 variant we'll see. And the next one will be worse. That's just how viruses work. Would be best if everyone just put their politics aside, rolled up their sleeves and got a shot. It's not difficult calculus. And then this nightmare will be largely over instead of seeing case numbers go the wrong way as they have for the past month. For supposedly the smartest nation in the world, we've made this far more difficult than it should have been.
     
    • Agree Agree x 11
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 3
    • Winner Winner x 3
  10. antny1

    antny1 GC Hall of Fame

    1,617
    627
    328
    Dec 3, 2019
    Not arguing against vaccines but just curious about some of the more educated opinions about leaky vaccines and their potential to create altered and potentially more lethal strains since this doesn't seem to be mentioned at all in this thread and the blame for mutations are being places solely on the unvaxed.

    This is not a loaded question but I understand that viruses operate and replicate through different mechanisms and this may or may not be pertinent to covid
     
  11. l_boy

    l_boy 5500

    6,899
    727
    473
    Jan 6, 2009
    Where are you getting this? I'm not a biologist but I'm pretty sure mRNA can't cause a virus.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  12. duchen

    duchen VIP Member

    9,027
    3,240
    1,723
    Nov 25, 2017
    . What do you mean about leaky vaccines? The vaccines can’t leak COVID because they don’t contain live virus.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  13. antny1

    antny1 GC Hall of Fame

    1,617
    627
    328
    Dec 3, 2019
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  14. antny1

    antny1 GC Hall of Fame

    1,617
    627
    328
    Dec 3, 2019
    Not at all what I meant even if I'm incorrect. Not in any way worried about the vaccine itself " causing" infections as some tend to believe with typical flu shots. Fully aware vaccines don't use live viruses
     
  15. l_boy

    l_boy 5500

    6,899
    727
    473
    Jan 6, 2009
    They aren't literally leaking. The hypothesis is the vaccine eliminates / prevents most the virus, but stronger mutations may survive, via natural selection and then the stronger mutation spreads more rapidly. Similar to what anti bacterial soaps did.

    It's a hypothesis.

    Edit: actually upon further reading, a dangerous virus with unvaccinated hosts often kills the host. The disease can't spread if hosts die. Some vaccines may lessen the severity but the host still gets the virus, stays alive, and spreads it. The more it spreads the more chance it has to mutate and get worse.
     
    Last edited: Jul 18, 2021
    • Agree Agree x 1
  16. antny1

    antny1 GC Hall of Fame

    1,617
    627
    328
    Dec 3, 2019
    Again...i understand what you explained in the first paragraph but the term is simply a term used to explained the theory....not a literal leak. Not sure how I didn't convey that already. Its a theory and it isn't meant as an anti vaccine argument simply that it is a theory that creating superstrains or mutations may not be solely blamed on unvaccinated people.

    Not much has been "normal" about covid and this is one theory regarding mutations than might at least be studied as well.
     
  17. l_boy

    l_boy 5500

    6,899
    727
    473
    Jan 6, 2009


    Read and researchers at the Pirbright Institute in Compton, U.K., infected chickens with Marek’s disease virus of different strains known to span the spectrum from low to high virulence. When the birds weren't vaccinated, infection with highly virulent strains killed them so fast that they shed very little virus—orders of magnitude less than when they were infected with less virulent strains. But in vaccinated birds, the opposite was true: Those infected with the most virulent strains shed more virus than birds infected with the least virulent strain


    In the example the initial virus was so lethal it often killed the host. Covid while deadly, even at its worst was only deadly to a small percent of carriers, so I'm not sure the concept really applies in this case.
     
  18. dadx4

    dadx4 GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 3, 2007
    Gainesville, Fl
    TDS.....
     
  19. BLING

    BLING GC Hall of Fame

    6,272
    388
    1,358
    Apr 16, 2007
    It makes rational sense on the surface.

    A vaccinated person has like 99% less chance at “severe illness” to this point. But once more and more breakthroughs happen, that is almost like a different “version” of the virus (one that is also capable of infecting the vaccinated). I don’t think anyone thinks it’s going to create some mutant supervirus, just that as the virus evolves and mutates it will start chipping away at the immunity vaccines have given this far.

    I’m pretty sure that’s what everyone is worried about, and it still is the fault of the “unvaccinated” as they are the primary spreaders of the virus. Though Isreal shows even very high vax is rates isn’t going to stop this thing totally. So it’s probably something we will be living with for awhile
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  20. vaxcardinal

    vaxcardinal GC Hall of Fame

    6,180
    930
    448
    Apr 8, 2007
    • Agree Agree x 5