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why are so many fully vacinated testing positive?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by buckeyegator, Jul 17, 2021.

  1. duchen

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    You are an immunity Superman. Vampires are going to want your blood. Be careful!
     
  2. snatchmagnet

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  3. duchen

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    I have heard that strong levels of COVID 19 antibodies do that.
     
  4. snatchmagnet

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  5. Tjgators

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    the vaccination does not keep you from getting Covid but it is supposed to lessen symptoms if you get it. But because the trials are not over until late 2022 and early 2023 we won't really know what effects it will have.
     
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  6. l_boy

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    No, the numbers are not inaccurate. Where are you getting that? The numbers were based on Delta infections. Delta didn't all of a sudden get more virulent and the vaccines didn't get worse from June to July. It is just that Delta has spread further.

    The 40% of deaths are vaccinated is also from June data.
     
  7. l_boy

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    Everything you said in this post is definitively false. That takes real effort.
     
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  8. mdgator05

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    The vaccine dramatically lowers your likelihood of getting Covid, although that effect is lessened by Delta variant, it is still showing pretty substantial decreases in infection rates. Please stop spreading misinformation.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577
     
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  9. QGator2414

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    Your June data that you posted today and I was responding to is worthless now.

    Hence my response which provided mid July data.

    In the UK as of July 9…36% of delta deaths were not vaccinated. 18% of deaths from delta had one dose. And 46% of the delta deaths had two doses. Assume that the Janssen vaccine is nominal enough that it was not considered but I don’t know. Regardless…those are not good numbers.

    Vaccinated people are less likely to die from the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 compared to unvaccinated people; viral claim misinterpreted PHE report

    “According to data from the U.K., of the 257 deaths caused by the Delta variant, 92 people hadn’t been vaccinated (36%), 47 had received one dose of vaccine (18%) and 118 had received two doses (46%). Therefore, the majority of deaths (54%) were among persons who hadn’t acquired the full protection that is only provided two weeks after completing both doses of the vaccine.”
     
  10. l_boy

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    This link is saying pretty much exactly what I was saying. So in the original data 40% of the deaths was from "fully vaccinated" people. In this version 46% are from fully vaccinated. That makes perfect sense as the more people are vaccinated the lower the deaths related to unvaccinated/partially vaccinated people.

    Otherwise the article says exactly what I was saying, although much more thoroughly and clearly.
     
  11. PITBOSS

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    What is driving the increases? Is it the unvaxed? Or new strains impervious to vax?
     
  12. domgator

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    Yeah I tell folks they should get vaccinated also. I guess I care too if that's all it takes!
     
  13. gatorpa

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    Delta variant spreads much easier, and unvaccinated get it much more frequent than vaccinated.

    I read an article last week that said before delta if a house had 5 people living together 2/5 on avg would get COVID, now it's like 4.5/5.
     
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  14. antny1

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    Maybe I missed it but are there any numbers regarding Delta and people who contracted covid the first time around? Vaccinated and unvaccinated?
     
  15. g8rjd

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    People from the clinical trials who tested the vaccines are more than 6 months fully vaccinated. I have little doubt they are still providing data.
     
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  16. gatorpa

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    I have only seen anecdotal reports. It would be helpful to have all that info

    Know a few who say they have gotten it twice, tough to know for sure if they were actually verified and tested the "first time."

    We are doing the J&J two dose study at our research site.
    I have seen one person who recently tested positive after being fully vaccinated (2 doses , second dose 2 months ago), her son who only had one dose also tested positive.
    Time will tell.
     
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  17. gatorpa

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    Our J&J subjects (500ish) are still having follow up labs drawn for the next 18-24 months. So that is planned to follow for that reason (and safety follow up).
     
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  18. antny1

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    I just had the Johnson and johnson right before they came out with the info saying it is much less effective against the Delta variant. Apparently it is still effective at minimizing symptoms and hospitalizations. I just wanted to avoid the two shot deal
     
  19. gatorpa

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    The one shot J&J has similar effectiveness(something like 75% in the US) to the first shot of the Moderna or Pfizer. It varied in the studies based on location to some degree.
    That's a big reason J&J is spending the money on seeing how much better the second dose is at increasing immunity....
     
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