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Who is the GOAT?

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by Gator715, Feb 10, 2021.

Who is the greatest NFL QB of all time?

  1. Tom Brady

    139 vote(s)
    93.9%
  2. Peyton Manning

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Joe Montana

    3 vote(s)
    2.0%
  4. John Elway

    0 vote(s)
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  5. Dan Marino

    4 vote(s)
    2.7%
  6. Roger Staubach

    1 vote(s)
    0.7%
  7. Brett Favre

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  8. Aaron Rodgers

    1 vote(s)
    0.7%
  9. Drew Brees

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Terry Bradshaw

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. gatordee

    gatordee GC Hall of Fame

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    What people fail to mention is what Brady brings to the team. He does a lot more to get that teams mental state of mind in the right place. He has the manerism of a person who perhaps timid until the helmet is on. He does just as much in the locker room as he does a n the field.The missing pieces broght to that team was because of Brady. Hell! Bronk came out of retirement! He by himself is huge for receiving AND blocking!
     
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  2. GCNumber7

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    Bingo, there are other QBs that might have more talent, better stats, etc. But what sets Brady apart is his leadership. What he did with the Bucs this year is nothing short of amazing. Whenever he hangs them up, he would make one hell of a coach.
     
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  3. WESGATORS

    WESGATORS Moderator VIP Member

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    Just for fun:

    Graham + Starr

    326 total TDs
    273 total Ints
    38,217 passing yards

    Brady

    581 total TDs
    191 total Ints
    79,204 passing yards

    Go GATORS!
    ,WESGATORS
     
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  4. thatguy

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    Wow!
    That's very telling.
    Even though Graham and Starr were still in the "3 Yards and a Cloud of Dust" era pretty much.
    I remember watching Johnny U throwing it around quite a bit back in the day.
    Graham and the Browns were even further back in time.
    The Cleveland Browns won the NFL crown in 1950, 1954, 1955 and 1964.
    The Green Bay Packers won quite a few pre Super Bowl NFL crowns
    • They won their first three by league standing (1929, 1930 and 1931), and 10 since the NFL's playoff system was established in 1933 (1936, 1939, 1944, 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1996 and 2010).
    • Green Bay also is the only NFL team to win three straight titles, having done it twice (1929-30-31 and 1965-66-67).
    • In addition, the Packers won the first two Super Bowls (over Kansas City in 1966, 35-10, and over Oakland in 1967, 33-14), as well as two more recently (over New England in 1996, 35-21, and over Pittsburgh in 2010, 31-25).
     
  5. 95Gator

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    The argument of standing on someone's shoulders, I personally don't think merits whether the pioneer is greater than the person who stands on his shoulders.

    He may have led Brady to where he is but to me the argument was over when the Pats decided it is time for a new franchise QB and took the man who made them who they are today and threw him under the bus and instead of just saying (like Manning who I respect for doing so when it was done to him with the Giants) decided he would just go somewhere else and what happened on year 1, nothing but winning the Super Bowl while the Pats were watching their former QB do what some franchise QBs never do and sometimes do maybe once or twice.

    I am a fan of the idea of "dance with the one who brung you". Never been a Pats fan, never particularly TBH outside of his talents was a Brady fan even but he parlayed his talents IN THE FIRST YEAR as he laid a whopping on the defending SB champs. It was magical to me and I was rooting for him and the Bucs for it and on that day the GOAT QB pretty much wasn't even a discussion anymore. I would rival it to the come back of Michael Jordan. I would say Brady could be considered or at least argued as the GOAT of all time in any sport.
     
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  6. cincinnatigator

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    There's no doubt in my mind that Lebron James is the greatest pure athlete of all time. He could've played football and dominated the sport. There's video of him playing shortstop and catching a line drive that would've been halfway into the outfield. He's a guy you could probably train at anything and he would've excelled.
    But as far as their dominance of one sport, I can't think of anyone ever topping Gretzky.
     
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  7. thatguy

    thatguy Moderator VIP Member

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    What about this guy .. er .. person ?
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  8. 62gator

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    Bring your kid to work day. 2/7/21

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  9. 4everaGator

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    Hmm, LeBron could have, but Bo did and dominated 2 Sports at the highest level. True about Gretzky, he shattered the record books when he came on the scene making the records of the legendary previous hockey greats pale in comparison; and he still has 1/3 more points all time than second place Jagr, over 800 more assists! Amazing that 2 of the top 3 (Messier is 3rd all time) were Oilers teammates for very long time.
     
  10. cincinnatigator

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    Meh, I wouldn't say he dominated on the pro level though. He had a solid but very short career in both. Lebron would've probably been the greatest hybrid TE of all time.
     
  11. scooterp

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    My top 10 would go ...
    Michael Jordan
    Muhammad Ali
    Babe Ruth
    Wayne Gretzky
    Jim Brown
    Jerry Rice
    Jim Thorpe
    Tom Brady
    Lebron James
    Jack Nicklaus
    ...and in that order. Sorry, can’t leave the Bear off there.
     
  12. 4everaGator

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    Well his career was cut mighty short but he made to the bigs in both sports and showed tremendous athleticism. The "wall run" after the outfield grab and also the way he trucked Brian Bosworth was legendary.
     
  13. cincinnatigator

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    He was also a legendary track athlete. Would've been interesting had he kept healthy. Lebron is still #1 to me but Bo is a close #2.
     
  14. novagator

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    Peyton isn’t in the same league as Brady. Period.
     
  15. ThePlayer

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    Do you remember the anger from Vol Nation when Charles Woodson won the Heisman in 1997 over Peyton?
    To see the NFL Hall of Fame enshrine them both together all these years later is really ironic.
     
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  16. Gator715

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    I think the case for Ruth over Bonds is more the fact that he pitched as well rather than the PEDs.

    Kind of like imagine Shohei Ohtani being the best hitter in baseball and being a good pitcher prior to becoming a full-time hitter. Nobody has that skillset.

    In terms of hitting ability, and batter's eye, Bonds is the GOAT for me.
     
  17. Gator715

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    2 is either Montana or Marino for me. But there's a legitimate debate for a lot of guys at number 2.
     
  18. Gator715

    Gator715 GC Hall of Fame

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    I didn't know, but I looked it up and apparently he did.
     
  19. 92gator

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    Bonds was milquetoast before his head swole up like a watermelon ( juiced like a Russian body builder).

    His legacy is 95% PEDs, 5% pretty good hitter.

    There was a pretty sizeable body of work to distinguish there, so its clear as day.

    His numbers should be scrubbed from the books, not polluting conversations of the GOAT.

    Unless we're talking about cheating.

    He's perhaps the GOAT Cheater.
     
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  20. 4everaGator

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    I am enjoying these discussions over who is the GOAT of all sports. It's interesting to see how different fans look at it and how in their opinion the rankings should fall. Personally I don't see how you can have Tom Brady not in your top 3, but I respect people's arguments.
     
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