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What people think of the 70s. and 80s

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by dnewhous, Apr 21, 2021.

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  1. PD

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    I think there may be an argument for the exact opposite.

    My first hand knowledge is small enough to be considered just anecdotal, but I’m pretty sure all the artists always considered themselves artists.

    I think Billy Joel (perhaps the perfect artist for bridging the 70s and 80s together) effectively describes in this song the disdain artists have for the record companies and corporate radio stations when they are cast as entertainers:

     
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  2. AgingGator

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    That is a very valid point and coincides with Tom Petty’s issues with the record companies and promoters that were the origins of “I Won’t Back Down”.

    I was referring more to the artist/entertainer’s interaction and relationship with their fans/customers. An entertainer’s bond is with their fans, whereas an artist’s bond is with their craft. If the entertainer’s fans don’t like the work, then they have disappointed those they care about. If the artist’s fans don’t like the work, then they rationalize it with themselves that their customers don’t matter, or at least not as much as they should.
     
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  3. PD

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    Oh this is perfect.

    In high school band, I had a section leader for a couple of years that I couldn’t stand, and he would always put us down for imperfections and for not emulating his practice techniques and playing style (which I thought both sucked).

    He was a technical wizard on the saxophone, which garnered him a lot of power in the band, and he never let the rest of us in the section express ourselves musically, even with our solos. Had to be robotic like him.

    The band director, maybe the greatest teacher I ever had, was loyally supportive of the upper class band leaders, which was absolutely necessary for military precision of a marching band. So he always had the section leader’s back in disputes. After our last concert of the dude’s senior year, I mentioned to the director how maddening it was to have to play under the constrained yoke of Mr Stiff Britches. And he said something that stuck with me to this day:

    “Don’t sweat it. He’s all skill, no talent.”

    If he were Greek, he might have said he was all Techne, no Poiesis.
     
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  4. PD

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    Love both of them, too. Oh so much.

    I aways find it funny though when I see how much the dancers get into to it, like it’s their groove, like they grew up on it, when they were almost all so far removed chronologically. For instance, Turton was born 7 years after this song was released.
     
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    What kind of a weirdo would do something like that?....

     
  6. Spurffelbow833

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    Which is why they're never called starving entertainers.
     
  7. dnewhous

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    A non sequiter, Dracula Has Risen from the Grave, a 1969 movie that became popular in the Regan era. It is the movie that most likely inspired the high budget Bram Stoker's Dracula. And a lot of vampire movie renaming. The 1992 movie is the most faithful to the book.

    The earlier movie featured Sherlock Holmes and Darth Saruman. Dracula was kind of a capstone to the Regan era. There were big changes in music after that movie. And I didn't think of that until now.

    Also, the hype for that movie lasted too long. Eventually they showed an extended cut on MTV, the staking of Lucy, and that was genuinely scary. And out of the book.

    In the Clinton era, Mel Brooks got a lot of mileage out of that scene with Dracula, Dead and Loving it.

    There are some weird rumors of a salacious sex scene that was deleted from that movie, which is not likely for two reason, the movie was shown on regular network TV and Christopher Lee did the voice for King Haggard in the Last Unicorn. Also, the series of movies is available on Blu ray.

    When it comes to the only classic porn movies that I have heard of - 2069 and Debbie does Dallas getting them on a modern format is a trip. Also, now that I have seen the cover of Debbie does Dallas - too old, not pretty enough. 2069? Pretty enough but too old. I know about Debbie does Dallas from Night Court and 2069 from college. Debbie does Dallas only recently got issued on DVD.

    I looked at the back of the renamed "Sexy Odyssey." The cutest girl is named virginal Jayne.

    There is a salient feature of Dracula has Risen from the Grave. As a man I might dismiss it as unimportant. As a boy, the red inset of Dracula's cape is quite striking.

    I do remember his death being more prolonged.

    Also, another Regan era classic the Best Little Whorehouse in Texas. The Clinton era equivalent is the Bodyguard.
     
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  8. gaterzfan

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    Listening to “Lay Down” by Melanie etal (early 70s) and believe there’s not been a period of time since ‘65-‘75 that’s matched in terms of amount and quality of music. There are some artists that grew out of that period that created some fantastic music with TP perhaps being the nest example. But ‘65-‘75 was the best!
     
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  9. StrangeGator

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    I've bought new music and attended live shows featuring contemporary artists for almost 50 years and I can't make an objective argument for any decade being the best or worst of all time. My current Spotify "Favorites" playlist features music from 1967, Forever Changes by Love, to this past month, Dream Weapon by Genghis Tron.

    If you think of a particular decade as lacking, go back and see what you missed. Great new music doesn't always fall in your lap. You have to look for it. I'm still finding brilliant stuff from the eighties and nineties that snuck past me.

    I'll make one bold prediction. 2020 will go down in history as one of the best single years of new music. 2021 won't be far behind. The pandemic along with the democratization of recording technology and the rise of indie labels created the perfect storm for a music renaissance.
     
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  10. carpeveritas

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    Yes there are starving entertainers and artists. Not only must fans appreciate it you also need distribution, record labels, radio time and contracts commensurate with talents. This is why bands such as the Beatles created the Apple label where others such as Meatloaf and Jim Corce wound up in the poor house.


     
  11. dnewhous

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    In his book Conversations With Petty he said it was about his house being set on fire by an arsonist.
     
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    Jim Croce died in a plane crash barely a year after he rose to fame.
     
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    Sadly. We missed out on a lot of great music by him.
     
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    I think a good example is how Dylan’s fans turned on him when he went electric.

    For me, I enjoyed it, and saw Dylan and The Band in Atlanta in ‘74.
     
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    Some of my favorite albums in terms of composition are:

    Court and Spark – Joni Mitchell
    Every Picture Tells a Story – Rod Stewart
    Saint Dominic‘s Preview – Van Morrison
     
  17. gatordavisl

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    How do you know? You could know, for ex. from Berlyne & Leonard Meyer that optimal complexity supports your statement as related to complexity. I'm less certain about your statement in relation to creativity.
    Maybe your tastes are less or poorly informed?
    . . . case in point :p
    Great point and a question for the ages. Of course any answers are bound by personal preference and bias. Remember though, that people can be educated in music. Tastes change with information/understanding. People with well-informed perspectives on music can impact the tastes of others. There is also the matter of magnitude to consider (i.e. some people, esp. those who know a great deal about music, have a stronger sense of appreciation).
    I believe there are ways to qualify what is good music, though I'm less compelled to operationalize that then I once was. I still believe in expertise, but am less certain about its impact upon the collective.
     
  18. gatorknights

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    My top 5 (in no particular order)

    One Size Fits All -- Frank Zappa (a masterpiece)
    Dark Side of the Moon -- Pink Floyd
    Moving Pictures -- Rush
    90125 -- Yes
    Discipline -- King Crimson

    There are so many others as well.
     
  19. Spurffelbow833

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    I'll post a few total embarrassments from the '70's starting with this.

     
  20. carpeveritas

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    True yet all of the hits he prior to his demise one would have thought he was rolling in the dough which he clearly was not.
     
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