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Was a tax cut, deregulation and court appointments really worth all this?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ursidman, Aug 27, 2018.

  1. OaktownGator

    OaktownGator Guardian of the GC Galaxy Moderator VIP Member

    Apr 3, 2007
    PSA for folks who abuse the term socialism or socialist.

    1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole
  2. philobeddoe

    philobeddoe Premium Member

    Apr 11, 2007
    If the specific, at issue cake is not art …….. why doesn't the patron just drive to the nearest grocery store and purchase a cake from the refrigerated foods section? It would be far more convenient and less expense. Why must it be a certain size, color, etc ….. for a special meaning?

    And …. if the cake is memorialized in some fashion ….. photo or video …. does it not have an existence longer than just that period from creation to consumption?

    BTW …. what about ice sculptures and topiary? Both are considered art …… as is body painting. None of these are permanent. Ice melts, body paint is washed ….. and topiary must be continuously recreated and sometimes it dies.
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  3. chemgator

    chemgator GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 3, 2007
    I said that Hillary was a "little bit of a socialist". You can't be in favor of a nanny-state without being at least a little bit of a socialist.

    And yes, Obama was a huge socialist. Anyone who even utters the phrase "spread the wealth around" is defining themselves as a socialist. And what would you call Obamacare, with all of its subsidies, if not socialism? If you say things like "it's not a handout, it's a hand up", you might be a socialist. Cash for Clunkers? Socialism.

    I think Obama would have attempted more socialist legislation if he a) thought he could get away with it, and b) was more ambitious. I'm guessing that the Obamacare fight (with his own party) wore Obama out.
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  4. gator_lawyer

    gator_lawyer Premium Member

    Oct 30, 2017
    You really don't know what socialism is. Obamacare isn't socialist. JFC. And conservatives wonder why people roll their eyes when they scream "socialism" or "socialist." It's hard to take you seriously when you label basically anything that you don't like as socialism.
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  5. Nawlens Gator

    Nawlens Gator GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 9, 2007
    Socialism has become the basis of the democrats agenda. Guess what, socialism always fails. Call it any name you want, deny it's true identity, but it's socialism.
  6. gatorpika

    gatorpika Premium Member

    Sep 14, 2008
    There is a pretty wide range of ideas encompassed in what people call "socialism". For example "democratic socialism" doesn't involve public ownership of all private industries, but relies on the economic engine of capitalism to fuel it. It's really a more regulated capitalist system, yet is called socialist and certain principles embodied in their systems more closely align with true socialism than laissez faire market economics in certain cases (e.g. the oil industry in Norway or healthcare in the UK). It's sort of like how capitalism is extended to include market economics in general, economic policy and generally everything that's bad with western economic systems even though the concept itself only refers to the pooling of capital by large numbers of owners to engage in business ventures. If you ask a socialist or capitalist what the terms mean, you will get a wide variety of answers and many of them widely acceptable.
  7. gator_lawyer

    gator_lawyer Premium Member

    Oct 30, 2017
    And racism has become the basis of the Republican's agenda. Why? Because if I don't agree with a policy, I'm just going to label it as racist. Why engage in intellectually honest discussions when I can just ignorantly throw around a buzzword? :rolleyes:
  8. Gatorrick22

    Gatorrick22 GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 3, 2007
    "Was a tax cut, deregulation and court appointments really worth all this?"

    Is this some silly trick question? Hail to the yes... very worth it!!!! I couldn't be happier to have voted for Trump, and I'll vote for him again in 2020. :D:)
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  9. JerseyGator01

    JerseyGator01 GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 10, 2007
    Two of the younger members of the Mueller legal team just left. Probably the only ones with ethics.
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  10. squigator

    squigator Premium Member

    Apr 3, 2007
    Are you referring to Stroker and Pantyless Page or two more young lawyers?
  11. chemgator

    chemgator GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 3, 2007
    Hillary is very big on regulating things . . . and people. Well, other people. Obviously, the rules don't apply to her. In all of her five-point and ten-point plans, I can see government getting bigger and more expensive. Women not making as much salary as men in the workforce? Regulate it! Cars not getting enough gas mileage? Pass a regulation! Tell the automakers what their mileage will be.

    There is never any acknowledgement by her that a regulation isn't working, unless it can be replaced by another regulation. Eventually, business dies from regulation strangulation.
  12. chemgator

    chemgator GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 3, 2007
    Obama actually thought that LBJ, who was one of the original "American socialists as president" (along with FDR), was one of the three best presidents of all time. That says a lot, considering that LBJ's micromanagement and poor decision making were major contributors to the U.S. losing the war in Vietnam and the subsequent unraveling of American society.
  13. chemgator

    chemgator GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 3, 2007
    I don't have a problem with a little socialism, as long as the socialist admits what's not working and agrees to cut it or modify it so it has a chance to work. Making people dependent on government or unwilling to work for their own upkeep are examples of programs not working.

    Social Security is the only example I can think of where the program is clearly working as a forced savings program (over 99% of the time), but it needs reform as people are living longer and the program is not taking in enough money, and it needs reform to prevent people from falsely claiming disability. I don't know of any other programs that have anything close to a 99% success rate, without large amounts of fraud or misuse.

    To me, democrats need to spend some timing cleaning up the programs they have, and take a break from asking for money for new programs until the other programs are working properly (or defunded).
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  14. BastogneGator

    BastogneGator GC Legend

    Oct 20, 2013
    Oahu, Hawaii
    So what was the Democrats plan to help the middle class and shrink the gap between rich and poor? I believe it increased significantly under the previous democratic regime. That was the issue, the Democrats couldn’t show any “victories” for the middle class.
  15. VAg8r1

    VAg8r1 GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 8, 2007
    Not sure that the Democrats can be blamed when the Republicans effectively controlled both Houses of Congress for the last six of the eight years of the Obama Administration.
  16. ursidman

    ursidman GC Hall of Fame

    Sep 27, 2007
    Good question and one that needs to be answered for the 2020 election if the Dems want to have a candidate and platform that people will vote for and not just have the election be a referendum on Trump's character. That's was a large part of the 2016 election and it was a losing gambit.