War in Ukraine

Had to read that a few times. I gotta lay off the porn.

 

Without a lot more information, that seems like meaningless trivia. The President could have had a bet with Putin that Zelensky’s first beverage would be a Mountain Dew.

 

The Deep State/MSM narrative is collapsing.

 

While it is taking longer than the President campaigned on, the slow momentum here is obvious. World leaders aren’t flying all over the place multiple times for something to fall apart, generally speaking. So it does seem that President Trump will deliver on his promise to end Biden’s war.

 

I agree that President Biden ultimately failed to deter Putin from starting this war. I agree that President Biden failed to take action that might have forced Putin to abort the war, once started, in its early stages. I agree that President Biden failed to acknowledge the reality that this was going to be a long war and adapt the U.S. to defeating Russia. The list of mistakes that President Biden made, starting with placing a serious person in the role of National Security Advisor, could fill pages.


All of that said, it is extremely disingenuous to refer to this war as “Biden’s.” This war is Putin’s, end of story. Only Putin decided to embark on this catastrophe. Only Putin could have turned it off unilaterally at every stage. Only Putin could end this war today unilaterally.

 

Ukraine and the US started the war. The objective was to replace Putin, split Russia into smaller countries and exploit it's resources.

 

Did the US or Ukraine drop a parachute a regiment around Moscow?

Putin started this war back in 2014. Or did the US and Ukraine start that war as well?

 

Absolutely. And if Trump was reelected in 2020 Putin would have still invaded Ukraine with the only difference being that Trump would not provided the support albeit not really sufficient for Ukraine that Biden provided which has enabled Ukraine to resist. Putin has made it absolutely clear that his goal is to reconstitute the Soviet Union/Russian Empire and that objective rules out any possibility of an independent Ukraine. I guess Putin would have been satisfied if he were able to replace Zelensky with a puppet similar to his boy in Belarus Alexander Lukashenko.

 

Maybe. Maybe not. That's an assertion as equally impossible to prove or disprove as is President Trump's that Putin would never have invaded in the first place if he had only been re-elected. We can't say to a certainty what would have happened, only what did happen.

 

My friend, you disappoint me. I thought you were already familiar with the laughably unenlightened propaganda of the Russophiles.

Yes, of course, the U.S. started the war in 2014. You know, there was, like, a U.S.-sponsored “coup” of the legitimately elected government of Ukraine, which was totally not a Russian puppet regime that the Ukrainian masses had completely lost confidence in. The widespread popular uprising was not what it looked like to your lying eyes; it was actually orchestrated by the U.S. … because we’re so good at that sort of thing without leaving any fingerprints. And President Obama sinisterly managed to accomplish it while his hands were full with the rise of ISIS. In fact, he was so caught off guard by the success of the operation that there was absolutely no plan in place to exploit the success or even to deter Russia from acting in an aggressive manner as a response.

Does that answer the mail for you?

 

While we cannot say with certainty that Putin would have invaded Ukraine based on his history and his opposition to an independent Ukraine it is reasonable to infer that he would have do so regardless of who was in the White House. I would also add that since his meeting with Trump last Friday Putin hasn't stopped sending drones and missiles into Ukraine cities.

 

I think so, too. I also think that Trump would have kept Ukraine in supply as evidenced by the fact that he was the first President to give Ukraine weapons and also enhanced the State Partnership Program with Ukraine, which ended up being essential to the Ukrainian Air Force surviving Russia's surprise attack and continuing to contest Russian control of the air domain today. But, again, it really makes no difference to the current situation unless we're going to collaborate on a speculative fiction novel where Trump won in 2020. We are where we are today, and what matters most is what the President does now, not what might have been.

I would expect nothing less of that SOB, but I don't think that serves as evidence as to what Putin would have done in 2022 if Trump had stayed President. The war is on now. Absolutely no reason to stop military pressure on the enemy even when negotiations are in progress. The war wasn't on then, and that leads to a different calculus.

 

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Yes the US gets the blame for what happened in 2014.