War in Ukraine

Have you seen a figure on Ukraine's KIAs?

 

Thank you for the post. Informative, however I would take slight issue with "wounded" despite your erudite analysis. Wounded have many deleterious
effects, which of course you know, in terms of the local theater of operations, the logistics of dealing with them at and from the battlefront, and of course the strain on medical and rehabilitation resources back home.

If my understanding is correct, Ukraine is far more impacted by wounded as compared to Russia, simply because it seems Ukraine puts far more time and resources on tending to wounded casualties as compared to the Russian side, which, historically speaking, has a rather narcissistic and measured concern for them, especially for combatants from the far Eastern Russian provinces.
Regardless, if your projection of 250,000 + happens to be close to correct, that is a horrific number, at least by modern warfare standards.

I find the toll on the Russian society, when contemplated from all aspects, is stunning in terms of what exactly Putin and the Kremlin stands to gain.
Even if they "win", Russian military stocks have been depleted, the myth of Russia as being the 2nd strongest military power being completely debunked, the aforementioned human toll, Sweden and Finland having now joined NATO, Western Europe is rearming itself and of course the Eastern provinces of Ukraine having been turned to rubble. The mine clearing and environmental costs alone will be staggering. Rebuilding of infrastructure? A decade. And of course this does not even address GNP and Standard of Living Issues. Incidentally, Ukraine continues to harm the Russian Military, Industrial and Fuel Industries Complex deep into Russia now.


AND FOR WHAT?? An EGO TRIP?? A legacy?

Nothing like sound leadership.

SMH

 

Yes, there is some variation. I'll try to break it down. Ukraine officially acknowledges 43,000 military killed in action. Western sources place it a bit higher, around 70,000. Now why the variation? Some speculation on my part. Many Ukrainians killed or missing in this conflict have been civilians. Of those, many were in militias or otherwise part of a levée en masse when the war first started and normal people rose up to defend their homes. Should those casualties count as military or civilian? Also, Ukraine, though a far more open liberal society than Russia, is still operating under existential wartime conditions and has operational security considerations about how much to tell the enemy about what is working and what isn't. In terms of confirmed civilian deaths, the number is around 13,000, but I don't think that includes numbers from the Russian-occupied territories of Ukraine. For instance, around 20,000 Ukrainian children from the occupied territories are totally unaccounted for. Now most of them are probably detainees in Russian re-education centers, but many are most certainly dead and will never be reported.

 

Oh, make no mistake, my friend. I do not undermine the value of wounding the enemy nor minimize the cost of wounds to friendlies. I am only speaking in terms of cold measurable statistics that KIA is a more useful measure of performance because everyone knows exactly what it means. I simply mean that "casualty" can mean anything from a dead soldier to a missing soldier to a deserter to a guy who got a one-inch scratch from a shell fragment and returned to duty that same day.

 

70,000 seems incredibly low. I believe it's much higher. If Ukraine's government is taking men off the streets, so I've read, they likely have lost many more than that.

 

way too many dead in that mess