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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. homer

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    Sad that protecting civilians doesn’t matter. Everyone will one day answer to a greater power and will be judged.
     
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  2. CaptUSMCNole

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  4. demosthenes

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    Nothing MAGA does surprised me anymore. It’s a brainless cult that I’m fascinated to see what happens in 3 years.
     
  5. G8trGr8t

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    ukraine doing some targeted serious damage to russian industrial capacity. love it

    Panic in Russia as gunpowder plant explodes in devastating Ukraine attack

    A massive fire reportedly erupted at a gunpowder plant in the town of Kotovsk in Russia's Tambov Oblast overnight on June 11, according to the Kyiv Independent.

    Residents reported experiencing several explosions during a drone strike by Ukraine in the area.

    Russian state media TASS claims that Russian air defense systems thwarted a large-scale drone attack in the region, leading to a fire. It comes as a chilling nuclear map revealed the US regions where 75% will die in WW3.
     
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  6. chemgator

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    If the statement that half the wounded die is true, that means as Russia approaches a million casualties this summer, they are also approaching about 600k-650k deaths in the war, assuming that one fourth to one fifth of the soldiers are killed before any help could get to them in the first place. I would think that would mean that the average experience of Russia's troops is declining significantly as they replace these troops with conscripts.
     
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  7. chemgator

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    That's the thing about communist dictatorships--they always want more. The oligarchs are always hiding income from the gov't, and the services provided by the gov't are always inefficient. The entire society is inefficient. There is corruption throughout both the government and the private sector. Product quality is low compared to free societies, and costs are higher than they should be. Why else would Russian airlines use 59 Boeing airplanes and 112 Airbus planes? And there is general paranoia for the leaders as they have no mandate to govern from the people. They seized power either through force, or carefully manipulated elections. Potential rivals have to be suppressed, and the media has to be carefully controlled. Add in a history of building an empire through force, and you have all of the ingredients for invasions like Ukraine.

    Any argument that Russia invaded Ukraine because of Nazis in Ukraine or because they need a buffer zone with NATO just does not hold water. NATO has never threatened to invade Russia, and until 2022, the countries of NATO were uninterested in spending any more than half of what they agreed to spend on national defense. Putin invaded Ukraine for greed and prestige. He wants to be in the Russian pantheon of heroes, along with Lenin, Stalin and Peter the Great. There is every indication that Putin had no idea that the war would take this long.

    The U.S. has little to fear from Russia militarily, other than the possibility of a Russian leader going crazy and authorizing a nuclear holocaust. Russia could easily create a global humanitarian crisis if they ever control Ukraine's agriculture.
     
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  8. CaptUSMCNole

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    Just remember a certain percentage of Russian soldiers who are WIA can be put back on the line and then get injured again or killed and there may be some double counting.
     
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  9. chemgator

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    Russia's most expensive military planes have been relocated to 4000 miles from Ukraine, as Putin is terrified of future attacks on his $500 million aircraft. To get an understanding of how rare the Tu-160 planes are, Russia has only completed two new Tu-160 planes since 2022.

    Russia sends its most valuable planes as far away from Ukraine as possible

     
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  10. l_boy

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    First he has to move his naval fleet away from conflict and now his aircraft.
     
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  11. demosthenes

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    Do you know what the threshold is for WIA? I would doubt anyone is counting a soldier that that sprained his ankle and had to get a medical to wrap it, or a bullet graze minor would, right?
     
  12. CaptUSMCNole

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    I do not but would assume that it would have to be at least a broken bone, bullet or shrapnel wound, etc.
     
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  14. CaptUSMCNole

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    The M1A1 is not a "wonder weapon" and this is the first line of the article: "Russian media outlet RIA Novosti has cited a study which says the majority of the 31 US-supplied M1 Abrams tanks delivered to Ukraine have been destroyed." So sure.
     
  15. vegasfox

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    As the war ends Trump has decided to let Europe clean up the mess that is Ukraine.
     
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    SweetJenius in July, 2023
     
  17. CaptUSMCNole

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    Maybe because if Russia had been able to win easily in Ukraine, their next target would have been a NATO country and that would have pulled the US and NATO into a war with Russia. Now Russia has lost the ability to invade a NATO country for at least four years.

    BTW, heard back from the Canadians about your boy, Copley. It was not good.
     
  18. vegasfox

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    Regarding the Canadians, why would I care what lightweights think?

    Regarding Russia, it was NATO that wanted a proxy war. To avoid war all the US and NATO had to do was respect Russia's 3 clearly stated red lines. Russia hasn't been a threat to any NATO country. Keep in mind that the US neocons and NATO wanted to split Russia into as many as 32 countries per Swiss geopolitical analyst Jacques Baud (who worked for NATO)
     
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    The problem with “counting” wounded is that there is no such threshold or that no one agrees quite where it is. That’s why this particular statistic has such a wide range of error. A wounded person can consist of anyone from a person injured so badly they are evacuated from theater and permanently disabled to a person with three minor wounds on three separate occasions returned to duty each time (and counted as three persons). Generally speaking, though, we all agree on what dead means, it’s much harder to hide a dead person, and dead people don’t get counted more than once. So I find that to be a more useful metric despite all Russia does to mislead on its KIA.
     
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  20. CaptUSMCNole

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    Because you said this:
    So I asked them. Like I said, the answer was not good.
     
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