War in Ukraine

Let's cut to the chase, who would you need to come out and confirm the 700k causality number? Is there any person that could said it and that you make you believe it?

 

I would tend not to believe any source which claimed that Russia has lost more troops, than were ever sent to the frontlines, and are somehow still gaining more and more ground, however slowly.

 

But EVEN IF Russia has lost 700k in this war, Russia was said to have lost 26 million in WWII and still prevailed and Russian citizens are resolved in this war.

 

will the potato be the end of Putin?

I can now see the orange ogre having USAID send potatoes to Russia to prevent starvation

Potato Panic in Russia: Prices Skyrocket, Putin Sounds the Alarm

For once, it’s official: Vladimir Putin himself has confirmed Russia is facing a full-blown potato disaster.

At a televised meeting, the president acknowledged that potato prices have risen by 166% year-on-year, sending shockwaves through grocery bills across the country. Looking for help, Putin turned to his closest ally, Belarus but came up empty.

According to analysts, wholesale potato prices surged by over 285% in just one year.

Retail prices soared to over 100 rubles ($1.18) per kilogram in some areas, nearly eight times the global average.

 

And lets not forget, they drink their potatoes! This could get ugly.

 

Indeed, how can you defeat a people who drink their potatoes ?

 

No, I mean I had the correct read that you were referring specifically to KIA and the people you were arguing with were referring to the broader metric of casualties. That is what I had the correct read on, and the text of the thread bears it out.

 

Time to send Russia a supply of these:



I would send one to Trump, too, just in case he would like something to distract him from his tariffs.

 

a) this isn't your granddaddy's Russia; Putin is not Stalin; and the other country did not barrel into Russia and threaten Moscow with hundreds of thousands of troops plus tanks.
b) all Russians who do not live in a basement of the Kremlin know that this is not an existential war for Russia, and never was.
c) It is fairly certain that 95+% of Russian citizens could care less whether they win this war or not. All Russians are united in the common idea that they do not want to die in this unnecessary war that Putin started. There are probably a few oligarchs that are excited about getting their hands on Ukraine's mineral wealth or being in charge of the world's bread basket, but that's about it.
d) Russia only prevailed in WWII because it received an incredible amount of material assistance from the United States (Stalin even admitted this), which, so far, it has not received in this war. Russia could not have made it to the battlefield without the hundreds of thousands of trucks that the U.S. sent, and its tanks could not have operated in the winter without the synthetic oil that the U.S. sent. Their troops could not have survived the winter without the fur-lined boots the U.S. sent. And that's only a fraction of the aid that Russia received.

More Russians were resolved to leave Russia than volunteer to fight in this war, much less die in it. Most Russians would gladly pull the lever to end this war in favor of affordable eggs and potatoes. That's how resolved they are.

 

Well stated.

 

NATO barreled 16 countries and 1,000 km to the East. Even Trump’s arch-neocon, Kellogg, now admits Russia’s concerns about NATO have merit. You fail.

You did stumble into a valid point, however. What do they say about a blind squirrel ? No first world country is having five kids anymore. It’s the reason it’s taken Russia three years to build to 600k combat zone troops and it’s the reason that the U.S. and NATO combined could not marshall enough troops to deter them.

 

Baloney. All of the countries to the east BEGGED NATO to take them in and help protect them from the dangerous country to their east, Russia. They had the experience of being a satellite country for Russia, having their resources stolen from them, being subjugated and abused, and they didn't like it. They preferred independence, which NATO allows them to have. Trump's advisors are criminals and idiots and Russian stooges. Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine has completely justified the decision of these countries to join NATO. You FAIL.

 

It matters not one with the mechanism by which NATO advanced relentlessly towards Russia’s backyard and with Ukraine angling to advance to Russia’s back door. And again, your argument is not with me, it’s with Kellogg.

Regarding the U.S. Lend-Lease program. The bulk of equipment did not begin to arrive until after Stalingrad and Kursk when the fate of the Wermacht was essentially sealed.

Russians did the heavy lifting.

Interestingly, polls always showed Europeans agreeing that the Russians did the heavy lifting … until the Western fear campaign of 2022f had the net effect of reversing the perception.

 

Russia can't seem to keep its trains running on time. Two bridges collapsed just east of Ukraine in Kursk and Bryansk in an apparent attack on Russian railways. One collapse was with the train on top of a road, and the other was with the train below the road. In a third incident, a military freight train was blown up in Melitopol in Ukraine.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/31/europe/russia-bridge-collapse-train-bryansk-intl-hnk

 

Two factors playing into the Trump team’s acquiescing to Russian demands …

First, the US clearly regards China as its existential foe and so the emphasis needs to radically shift to decoupling China and Russia.

This is why the Trump team is preparing to walk away from Ukraine because Ukraine’s only use to the Biden team was to weaken Russia.

Second, the Trump team (and probably the Biden team) realizing it never had the hard power, for direct conflict with Russia, and its European allies are even weaker.

 

Ukraine pulled off an operation several thousand miles inside Russia.

'Russian bombers are burning en masse' — Ukraine's SBU drones hit 'more than 40' aircraft in mass attack, source claims

 

If accurate, that one has to sting.

 

Hey, why is this thread still active?

I could have sworn I heard Trump say this war would be over before he even got into office. That all he had to do was call his good pal Putin and it would be settled.

Gee, this is making me doubt his other claims that this was Biden's war, and that it would never have happened it the master negotiator Don the Con had been in office.

 

1. you keep shifting the goal posts and I typically don't engage in debate with goal post shifters
2. if you'd just use a little common sense, you'd understand that a 700k number doesn't make any sense
3. if the number were truly 700k or more (half of Russia's active-duty personnel, lol), Russia would be using jets, not drones and we would have already seen a tactical nuke. They're not going to sit around and wait until their entire army is taken out of action. It's Russia, for god's sake.
4. you're going to have to come to grips with the FACT that the American military, British military... they make shit up all the time. It plays a huge role in how they're able to get young men to leave their wives and children back home to fight on foreign soil. There have been times that is justified and then times when it's not so much. But they lie. We're on a University of Florida message board. We have to be academic about this. Once you accept the propaganda premise, it's going to help you to see the entire picture more clearly. I suspect acknowledging that premise may require some self-reflection, perhaps even some guilt? You can't change the past. You can change the future.