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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. JustaGator

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    This your guy? Scott Ritter - Wikipedia

     
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  2. vegasfox

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    Given that Ritter has spent years studying the Russian military and given that he was correct about Iraqi WMDs I find it useful to listen to what he has to say.

    As far as I'm concerned there is no conclusive evidence Scott is a pedophile. As is the case with Trump he could be "a wrongly convicted innocent man."

    I'll take useful information from wherever I can get it. So if a Scott Ritter comes along and says there is no good evidence that Iraq has WMDs I would listen and try to avoid a war that killed a million people and which added several trillion dollars to our national debt.

    I suspect many or most of your Intel officer friends would agree with my Ukraine war analysis. Many are probably Scott Ritter supporters as well.
     
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  3. vegasfox

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    If I rejected everything Scott Ritter said or wrote that would make me less informed. Why would I do that?

    I wouldn't do that, because I'm not retarded
     
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  4. CaptUSMCNole

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    I will be sure to ask and report back. However, the CO of MCIA right now was the J-2 at Security Assistance Group Ukraine (SAG-U) last year and I can already tell you that he does not and thinks you are in fact a retard if you believe all this BS. He is a little rough around the edges though.

    I just assume all of this is some sort of alternative history fan fiction.
     
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  5. okeechobee

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    Unsure of the relevance.
     
  6. CaptUSMCNole

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    No, you are not.
     
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  7. okeechobee

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    What I am sure of is the answer is always war from you. You cannot always accomplish everything you want by way of force.
     
  8. G8trGr8t

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    What stops offensive force?
     
  9. JustaGator

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    A good defense?

    Wait a minute... are you saying the Russians are on offense and the Ukrainians defense and war is like football, except that football teams don't lose 980k players on the offensive side of the ball over 4 seasons... unless, of course, you are Will Muschamp?
     
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  10. chemgator

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    I am fairly certain that Russia's economy will not survive another 91 years of war, which is what it will take at their current rate to gain enough land to make them feel "secure" from the threats of a non-offensive organization known as NATO.

    You may be the only person on the planet who thinks Russia can go the distance for 91 more years.
     
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  11. okeechobee

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    The typical one-dimensional thinking of a Bidenista on full display...
     
  12. chemgator

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    We are not at war with Russia, no matter how many weapons we send to Ukraine. We are supporting Ukraine's fight for freedom by supplying weapons. It's called a proxy war. The same concept helped Afghanistan defeat Russia 35 years ago.

    Russia fought a proxy war against the U.S. in Korea. (They actually did more than that by putting Russian pilots into Russian planes with North Korean markings and shooting down American pilots. But let's pretend that Russia just supplied weapons to North Korea.) And we were not trying to take control of Korea like Russia is trying to take control of Ukraine. Why are you against returning the favor in the Ukraine War?

    The ideology of the U.S. (and the West in general) is diametrically opposed to the ideology of Russia, which is to burn, rape, pillage and steal anything they can get away with. If you let them get away with taking Ukraine, and the $12 trillion worth of minerals in the country, you are financing a regime that you are opposed to and encouraging them to attack again. When the U.S. finally does have to fight Russia, they will be much better equipped and more capable than they are now, and tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans may die needlessly. (Why do you want so many Americans to die?) Or do you propose to let Russia take over the rest of the planet before we intervene?

    Once the dogs of war are unleashed in a conflict, it is very difficult to just stop fighting and make peace and pretend that nothing happened. There are always long-term problems and the potential for future conflict. It is typically best for the aggressor nation to be defeated than to have even a fraction of the population subjugated. If Russia started the conflict in Ukraine (and they clearly did), they need to pay the price so we can be sure that they won't think about trying it again for a long, long time.
     
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  14. CaptUSMCNole

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    If you could have convinced Putin of that in ‘22, there would be over 700k Russians and a couple hundred North Koreans still alive.
     
  15. CaptUSMCNole

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    It’s 700k and I find that very unfair to Muschamp. I mean he at least beat FSU and went 11-2 one season. That is way better than anything the Russians have done.
     
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    @vegasfox The idea that Ukraine started the war by planning to invade the Donbas on Feb 16th was rejected whole heartedly by everyone I mentioned it to this evening.

    Although retired LtGen Reynolds did bring up a topic tonight that made me think of your posts. She spent a fair amount of time during her remarks discussing targeted cognitive disinformation campaigns aimed at dissuading the American peoples will to fight, aide our allies, and our need to recognize them and call them out.
     
  17. okeechobee

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    It’s not anywhere near 700k. Just stop.
     
  18. demosthenes

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    Post your credentials and basis for the claim.

    https://news.usni.org/2025/05/29/report-to-congress-on-russian-military-performance
     
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  19. okeechobee

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  20. vegasfox

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    This is so good I have to repost it for those who might have missed it. Posts like this motivated the US government to essentially murder American journalist Gonzalo Lira, who was married to a Ukrainian woman and living in Kharkov: