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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. okeechobee

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    From what I understand, we're still doing so in more limited quantities, but they are weapons sales, not gifts. Which seems shrewd. It cuts off a majority of the aid, while dangling enough there to pose a threat to Russia that it could quickly swing back in the other direction if they don't come to the table. As I've been saying, we were dumping billions of dollars into a losing battle. To prolong such a situation with billions in weapons donations, while losing leverage by the day, seems ill-advised.
     
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  2. G8tas

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    Keep in mind most of the weapons we're giving them are weapons that we no longer use and those weapons are replaced with more modern weapons. It's why Russia said we're giving Ukraine old junk
     
  3. CaptUSMCNole

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    You have no idea how much the US military has learned from this conflict. It is the first peer vs peer conflict in the drone era. We also have learned our 20+ year old technology is still leaps and bounds better than their Russian equivalents. Putin is learning up close and pesonal why he does not want Ukraine in NATO.
     
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  4. okeechobee

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    As a matter of fact, I believe I am well aware of how significantly the U.S. military has benefited and continues to benefit from insights gained during this war. But these advantages do not ethically or strategically justify prolonging the war any longer. The primary objective of armed conflict should remain the swift and just resolution of disputes, rather than opportunistically benefiting from extended engagements. Otherwise, under your premise, we should just constantly remain at war (or at least a proxy war) with somebody so we can learn things. I mean, after all, even a war with Morocco would yield more knowledge and experience than not having a war at all.
     
  5. CaptUSMCNole

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    Last time I checked, one side was willing to end the war. Putin refuses to do it.
     
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  6. CHFG8R

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    They consistently ignore this (and a host of other things) to justify their treason. Why would you expect anything more from them now, or ever? These people are broken and are not even worthy of consideration.
     
  7. CHFG8R

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    That's a level of thinking they're incapable of. Sort of like independent thought itself. I mean, when was the last time you heard an original thought from any of these people? Just keep parroting the same old tired lines. "What about the homeless in the US?" Oh, you mean the ones you were mocking five seconds ago?

    Intellectually bankrupt.
     
  8. CHFG8R

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    Last time I checked, one side's complete and unmitigated failure ("I'll have Kiev in a week!") is the singular and SOLE reason we're here today. An utter shell of what it once was (if it ever was what we thought), gutted by years and years of kleptocracy from Shoigu and others (Putin himself, probably). Goes out and steps right on its dick and proceeds to faceplant into a puddle of its own vomit.

    Interesting how nobody ever brings this up, huh? Especially the usual suspects.

    And he's never going to end the war because he's all in now (war economy) and really can't afford to. Trump has given him multiple - soft - exit ramps and he keeps blowing past them. What does that tell you?
     
  9. vaxcardinal

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    Putin is willing to end the war but what he's asking for is too high a price
     
  10. ajoseph

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    One side, Russia, invaded its neighbor, Ukraine. Ukraine has the moral and ethical right to defend itself. We have the right, and I’d say obligation given what we know as the mirror of history, to aide Ukraine, both because Ukraine was wrongfully invaded and because the Western World has benefitted exponentially through Ukraine’s sacrifice in defense of its own nation.
     
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  11. duggers_dad

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    Russia planned to conquer a country the size of Texas with a volley of 30k troops and had to rethink.
     
  12. ajoseph

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    They don’t bring it up because their narrative is so fluid.
     
  13. CHFG8R

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    Or, because it's so obvious and so damning of their second-favorite fascist: Putin. Nah, too much work. More like a pitbull who's already got the steak halfway down his throat. No turning back now!

    Their fealty is second to none.
     
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  14. duggers_dad

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    Russia has Putin.

    We get four years of Weekend at Bernie’s followed by Orange Gaffe Machine.
     
  15. PITBOSS

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    Per below, US aid is mostly from packages set up under Biden. Under Trump they did authorize spare parts for f16s.


    “Since taking office, Mr. Trump has not approved a single new military assistance package for Ukraine and has not said whether he will spend the $3.85 billion Congress has already authorized for Kyiv.

    While the last shipments of weapons promised by the Biden administration are still making their way to the battlefield, no new weapons are in the pipeline. “


    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/26/...ytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
     
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  16. ajoseph

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    Says the guy who unabashedly has been Putin’s biggest cheerleader since before the invasion.
     
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    Trump is losing interest in Ukraine because he realizes that the US has lost another proxy war.
     
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  19. PITBOSS

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    Jeesk, what a paper tiger….


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  20. G8trGr8t

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    Lindsey Graham Vows to Grind Russia's War Machine to a Halt

    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) wrote a letter to the editors of The Wall Street Journal that was published on Tuesday in which he vowed that the U.S. Senate was ready to “grind” Vladimir Putin’s “war machine to a halt” if President Donald Trump is unable to broker a ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine soon.

    Graham, one of the most hawkish GOP senators, wrote his letter in response to a scathing Journal editorial titled, “Time for a GOP Senate Revolt on Sanctions Against Putin.” In the editorial, the Journal’s board argues for the GOP to advance Graham’s bill that would “hit countries that buy Russian oil and gas with tariff sanctions.”

    Graham promoted his legislation in his letter, writing, “The bill would put Russia on a trade island, slapping 500% tariffs on any country that buys Moscow’s energy products. The consequences of its barbaric invasion must be made real to those that prop it up. If China or India stopped buying cheap oil, Mr. Putin’s war machine would grind to a halt.”