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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. GatorJMDZ

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    Why are you spamming our thread again?
     
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  2. PITBOSS

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    it’s surprising both Ukraine’s success in sinking ships and Russia inability to stop them. Good for Ukraine. I wonder if there is a lesson there for our navy and the types of ships to build. Imagine the massive fleet of missiles that could be sent at one of our aircraft carriers - with a price of $13B and 5k to 6k sailors.
     
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  3. G8trGr8t

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    the worst thing for China is for us to onshore things, develop our own rare earths industry, form a solid alliance with the European and pan asian countries against aggressive militaries, and build up our defense industrial production. I guess you will disagree with that too
     
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  4. G8trGr8t

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    the houthi attacks are giving us some real-world experience but as advanced as their missiles are, I suspect that the Chinese missiles are much more so

    good read on the experience here. apparently our hardware performed exceptionally well

    Destroyer USS Carney Returns Home After Seven-Month Deployment, 51 Houthi Engagements - USNI News

    When the ship deployed, its crew had no idea that most of its time at sea would be spent engaging with Houthi attacks, Robertson said.

    Although Robertson gave the total number of engagements, he did not provide a breakdown of how many anti-ship ballistic missiles, anti-ship cruise missiles and drones Carney’s crew took down. The commanding officer offered limited details about how the ship engaged with the Houthi munitions.

    But Robertson could talk about the speed of dealing with an incoming anti-ship ballistic missile.

    From start to finish, an engagement would last about nine to 20 seconds, he said. That means the crew has seconds to see the incoming missile, decide if it’s a threat, make sure the topside is clear of any crew and engage. This all happens fewer than 30 seconds.
     
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  5. oragator1

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  6. demosthenes

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    Between Phalanx and SeaRam we have some pretty damn good close in weapons systems in our navy.
     
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  7. uftaipan

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    We imagined it long ago. That’s why our ships have missile defense systems generations ahead of Russia and China. Now that said, any system can be overwhelmed by pure numbers, and that has been the Russian and Chinese strategies for the last couple of decades. We still don’t know much about how the Chinese missiles will perform in combat, but we have a pretty good idea now about how inaccurate Russian missiles are. What good does it do you to throw 1000 missiles at a U.S. destroyer, successfully defending overwhelm the defenses, only to have 400 missiles punish the 5NM surrounding ocean?
     
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  8. duggers_dad

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    I’ve lost track of the fake sinkings.
     
  9. 92gator

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    Doesn't matter whether I agree or not. My comments are simply a matter of reading the tea leaves vis a vis what Xi/China plan on doing. His/their endgame is to supplant the dollar with the yuan. That does not necessarily entail decoupling from us, though it would skew the balance of power (v/v trade) grossly in their favor. They'd dictate terms to suit them, and we'd accept them, out of necessity.

    ....and part of that equation would entail tacit approval of Taiwan being assumed by the chicoms.
     
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  10. G8trGr8t

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    My end game is to win the lottery and live out my remaining days cruising on the World. I think my odds are better than the yuan replacing the dollar and Taiwan being gifted to China
     
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  11. uftaipan

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    The Yuan is China’s internal currency. You mean to refer to the Renminbi or RMB, which is the Chinese currency uses to trade outside of China. They are not precisely the same thing and the best parallel I can think of is the contrast between the British pound and British pound sterling. But if you want to make an argument that the Chinese aim to overtake the dollar as the world’s reserve currency (and they would like to, but other considerations they have for their currency limit how much the rest of the world values it) it surely is not helpful if you look like you don’t understand the difference between Yuan and RMB.
     
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  12. 92gator

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    IF the dollar crashe (almost inevitable if we sustain our trsjectory) China would be in a far better position to replace the US than your chances of winning the lottery, by a factor in the hundreds of millions.

    (But don't let that stop you from playing...responsibly, anyway) :)
     
  13. 92gator

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    Yawn...

    Remnibi, shmemnibi...yuan, shuwan...same difference.

    Doesn't change the fact that China appears to be waiting for the bottom to fall out of the dollar, they appear to be--shall we say, facilitating--the dollar's demise through out bought n paid for puppet leaders, and that Russia -Ukraine appears to be more Diversion, than actual threat.

    Reminder, for kicks ( and since it's still on my clipboard):

    U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

    Ole' says Xi!

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  14. ursidman

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    Why are Finland and Lithuania provoking Russia in this manner. And why did Ukraine force Russia to invade them? How dare they claim ownership of their recognized national waters? Just roll over and let the Bear take what it wants.
     
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  15. uftaipan

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    Sarcasm noted. But that’s exactly what some members of the extreme left and extreme right seem to believe and seem to want.
     
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  16. G8trGr8t

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    China has proven time and again that they have no reluctance to devalue their currency if needed to support bad economic decisions. They may be part of a basket but the world will never rely straight up on their currency as a base. Based on the loss of customers and industry due to Xi's policy and the massive real estate bubble in China, their currency will crash long before the US does but we should move this to a different thread so this will be my last comment here

    here is a thread to continue that convo if you wish

    Chinese Economy | Swamp Gas Forums (gatorcountry.com)
     
  17. G8trGr8t

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    supplies finally arriving. Russian troops suffering the consequences

    Turning the Tide? - Arrival of Long-Awaited Ammunition Changes Dynamics in Kharkiv (msn.com)

    A month after US Congress finally approved the $61 billion aid package for Ukraine, Ukrainian artillerymen report to Reuters news agency that the crippling ammunition shortage is slowly easing. The soldiers operating a howitzer near the Russian border in the Kharkiv region are finally able to curb the advance of Putin’s troops, the report says.
     
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  19. G8trGr8t

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    more stories of how US handcuffs that result in Ukranian losses. What I don't understand is who is watching and penalizing Ukraine if they break the "rules"

    A Ukrainian commander had Russian troops in his sights but couldn't attack. He says a US rule is to blame. (msn.com)

    A Ukrainian commander operating near the Russian border described how his unit watched as Russia amassed a huge force but had to wait for the troops to cross the border to hit them. "There were a lot of Russians gathering, and we could have destroyed them on the way in, but we don't have many ATACMS, and we have a ban on using them over there," he told The Times of London.

    Drago, a special forces commander with Ukraine's Kraken detachment, was redeployed, along with his unit and other special forces troops, in April from the eastern Donbas region to Kharkiv to strengthen Ukraine's forces there, per the Times.But instead of hitting the Russians, he and his unit were forced to watch as the troops gathered on their side of the border, according to the outlet. "We had to wait for them to cross," he said, referring to a US policy that bans Ukrainian forces from using US-supplied weapons to strike targets inside Russia
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    The Pentagon and US Army officials have repeatedly stated US opposition to Ukraine using the weapons it has supplied to strike targets on Russian soil. But the rule cost Drago's unit "dearly," he told the Times, with Russian troops then encircling them and attacking them from the rear.

    On May 10, Russian forces ambushed a nearby position occupied by another unit and ambushed Drago's group from behind, the outlet reported. Drago's six-person crew found itself divided into two groups and quickly encircled, pinned down in a system of trenches with two dugouts, each holding three soldiers. According to Drago, "none of this would have happened if we could use ATACMS."
     
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  20. sierragator

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    When bureaucrats are calling the shots on the battlefield, wars are lost. Get out of the way and let them defend their freakin country.
     
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