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Virginia county looking to restore confederate names to schools

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by oragator1, May 9, 2024.

  1. rivergator

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    Duval County has changed a bunch of them. Nathan Bedford Forrest High School was changed to Westside in 2014. More recently Robert E. Lee became Riverside and
    Newly rebranded Riverside High School’s logo revealed
     
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  2. gatordavisl

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    Didn't know you were a Hills Co Schools product. Started my career in Ruskin and attended some PD workshops at Gaither. It's fun reading about Tampa area schools.
     
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  3. gator_lawyer

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    Fun to remember that some people in this country want to honor the traitorous losers who fought to keep slavery in place. Speaks volumes about the character of those people. BTW, not only did those traitorous losers believe in stripping Black people of all rights, they also believed in stripping white people of their inalienable rights, all to preserve the institution of slavery. Scum.
     
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  4. Gatorrick22

    Gatorrick22 GC Hall of Fame

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    He went to West Point and became a general in the union army before Virginia decided to sussed. That man was not dishonorable in the way he lived his profession military life.
     
  5. PITBOSS

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    wasn’t Benedict Arnold a successful general before he became a traitor?
     
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  6. archigator_96

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    My sons just graduated from there a couple years ago and they were just the "Panthers". Colors are still black and gold though. None of their yearbooks, lettermen logos or anything say "Black Panthers".
     
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  7. archigator_96

    archigator_96 GC Hall of Fame

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    Best part of that story is Gaither's mascot is the Cowboys. Versus the Indians (Chiefs).
    HAHAHAHHA!
     
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  8. homer

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    Last time I checked some panthers are black.

    We need to eradicate them for sure as they are certainly racist.

    I can see the justification for renaming schools that hand confederate persons names and Indian type names that sound disrespectful like Squaws, Red Skins, etc. just don’t think Chiefs is derogatory at all.

    my 2 cents
     
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  9. oragator1

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    Our fight song was the theme from the magnificent 7.
     
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  10. gaterzfan

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    I’m class of ‘73 and it was a “‘70s thing”. We were the first class of integration. Except for their senior classes, the predominantly “black” HSs, Blake and Middleton, were closed and their Soph and JR classes were bussed to the predominantly “white” schools. BTW, the reference to the mascot as a “Black Panther” originated with the folks bussed to PHS. While there was some stupidity from some of the white students, the integration of former Blake and Middleton students went very well. My problem was …. coming from junior high as a defensive/offensive lineman …… I was unable to make the 3-deep roster as the Plant football team depth improved dramatically with the integration. So, as a multi-instrumentalist (brass) I joined the band. Our director was a guy named John Turner, who’d been the director at Blake and was an alum of the Marching 100. He was a musical genius and arranged much of the music we played. We had theme to Shaft long before any other HS. It was a lot of fun …. to watch Mr Turner and half the band try to teach the other half of the band …… a bunch of “white kids” …… how to march in a show band.
     
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  11. murphree_hall

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    I've seen people get dishonorable discharges for just being a nuisance.
     
  12. Gatorrick22

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    That was war we're talking about and his home state for which he fought to persevere, even if his state was wrong, that should not reflect his dedication and duty to do his best under the worst possible situation. It's those that write the history that decide how these historical figures should be remembered. And in Virginia... General Robert E. Lee is STILL a home town/state hero...


    That should never change regardless of the national perception. States have rights... and they have their own home town heroes.
     
  13. sierragator

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    Only nation in the world that memorializes and honors its traitors.
     
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  14. murphree_hall

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    Nah.

    I'm also a military officer. I have served in both the Federal side and the Florida National Guard. There is never any confusion that loyalty was first and foremost to the USA. You take an oath. I don't know what the oath looked like when Lee took it... perhaps back then it said I will defend the USA only when it suits me and the State of Virginia.
     
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  15. Gatorrick22

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    You were never in a civil war, so with all due respect to you and your service to our country, I stand by the State of Virginia having the right to allow Robert ER. Lee to be commemorated and a state hero.

    One more thing, had Virginia sided with the union that war would NOT have lasted as long as it did. Grant was a useless drunkard.
     
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  16. oragator1

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    Not a Lee defender, he could still have chosen differently. But loyalty to their states over the federal structure was a common thought process at the time. His decision would have been seen as understandable by most I think. Ironically the civil war was what largely changed that.
     
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  17. wgbgator

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    Do you stand by the right of the state to not allow R.E. Lee to be commemorated? Because thats what happened in 2020.
     
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  18. murphree_hall

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    No matter how we quibble over the details of loyalty to a state, the fact is he was on one side then he was on the other. I don't think he was confused about whether or not he had been serving in the U.S. Army.
     
  19. murphree_hall

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    I agree that they have a right to do it as well, on state property. Robert E. Lee is no doubt a hero to some. To many others he was a traitor and was on the wrong side of history. Let's not pretend that he is universally loved throughout the State of Virginia.
     
  20. homer

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    Jane Fonda is a prime example.
     
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