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Violent thugs and hooligans brutally attack police officers in D.C.

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by orangeblue_coop, Jan 6, 2021.

  1. sierragator

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    Trump apologists are so completely full of shit. Tourists my ass.
     
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    The blood-style fingerprint “seal” will really make the difference here.

     
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  3. philnotfil

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    She signed it in red ink, court can't do anything about it now. She wins.

    The sovereign citizen movement is fascinating.
     
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    This is an unbelievable video in how it assembles the footage as the events progressed. Should be required viewing for anyone attempting to downplay the significance of the day's events. I don't care what you think of the NYT, just watch the video clips they've assembled here.

    My blood is boiling again just watching it.
     
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    agree. Maybe someone doesn’t like nyt, but proof is in the tape. Nyt effectively combines different video and audio on one timeline to tell the whole story. From start (magas coming in on bus) to finish (maga rioters being forced out by riot-gear clad police/NG reinforcements)

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  10. ursidman

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    Genius business idea!
    The lady that uttered the quote I used has been to 56 trump rallies so plenty of repeat business.
     
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  11. tampagtr

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    First felony sentencing today - the excellent Zoe Tillman is covering the discussions in this tweet thread



    Marcy did a granular analysis Friday and talked about how "precedent" is being established in Hodgkins' sentencing that will impact others

    On the Upcoming Sentencing for the First January 6 Felony Defendant, Paul Hodgkins | emptywheel

    But Monday will be overdetermined because Hodgkins’ sentence, whatever it is, will be taken as setting some kind of standard that over a hundred defendants may be able to point to when it comes to their own sentencing (if DOJ’s application of 1512 is upheld through what is sure to be a number of decisions and appeals). Just as three hypotheticals, Judge Randolph Moss might explain that he finds Hodgkins’ behavior to be a grave threat to democracy and say that with any other similarly situated defendant, he would sentence him to the maximum sentence in his guideline, 21 months, but because Hodgkins went first, Moss will give him a significant downward variance; that would allow him and all other DC judges to sentence hold-outs more severely than Hodgkins. Alternately, Moss might decide that the “significant interference” enhancement shouldn’t apply to Hodgkins and on that basis sentence Hodgkins using a lower guideline (it would give Hodgkins a sentencing range of 8 to 14 months), a judgment that would likely be invoked by a wide range of similar defendants and so would be more binding to other judges and Moss himself in the future. Finally, Moss might rule that what Hodgkins did is barely distinguishable from what he is seeing in some of the trespass cases before him, and so sentence Hodgkins to what would be the max range for one of those trespass charges, six months; such a decision might or might not extend to other obstruction defendants based on factors like whether they told the truth about their actions. Again, those are all just hypotheticals intended to illustrate that why Moss sentences Hodgkins to a particular sentence will be as important going forward as what he sentences him to.

    The possibility that Moss might be thinking about what distinguishes Hodgkins from misdemeanor trespass defendants or other defendants charged with obstruction would not be surprising. Because all DC judges have a bunch of January 6 cases, they often express a comparative understanding of them in hearings. So, as Moss prepares to sentence Hodgkins, he might be comparing Hodgkins’ conduct with what has been charged against other defendants over whose cases he is presiding
     
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  12. tampagtr

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    Marcy hedging as she covers the hearing (thread)

     
  13. tampagtr

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    The Defendant is expressing remorse. Assuming this is a direct quote, note the careful wording and what it does not say

     
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    Interesting Twitter thread.
     
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    I'm not sure what the proper sentence should be, but it has to be strong enough to set an example for both specific and general deterrence, but also should have some mercy and not be used to exact nothing more than retribution.
     
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    He says Biden is the President; he doesn't say he won the election and is the President legitimately. That is the distinction I noticed
     
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    If I had known there would be consequences for my actions, I would have acted differently?
     
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    That's how I understood it. It seems to set up a grievance about supposed disparate treatment, even comparing to those that interrupted the Kavanaugh hearing
     
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    Well said by the judge as he is announcing sentencing -
     
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  20. tampagtr

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    The sentence - many factors went in - need to read all the analysis for context -