Utah passed a law that will try and do what the civil war couldn't and declare themselves independent of federal rules they don't like..smdh SB0057 (utah.gov) What you need to know about Utah’s ‘sovereignty bill’ and what it does - Deseret News Here are a few takeaways on why SB57 matters to conservatives and why some Democrats have concerns: Autonomy: The measure provides the process by which if a federal law, policy, rule or action is deemed objectionable, Utah can step away and not put that action into play. One example would be the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s “good neighbor” rule in which states are being forced to curtail ozone emissions to cut down on pollution that makes it to neighboring states. The rule affects Utah and 22 other states by mandating the reduction of that drift. In June, the state filed a lawsuit against the Biden administration over the rule, vowing to fight it due to the ramifications it would bring, including what Utah argues is the premature closure of coal-fired power plants because of costly upgrades that would only shave a small slice of emissions.
Just so you guys know, I've read the end of this book. For the past 8 years, day after day. It's not as good as it sounds on paper. Just sayin' Utah. If you want a chat, call me. x
What's the big deal? If a state's voluntarily entered the union, why shouldn't they be able to voluntarily leave?
I've considered this as well, but would there be a limiting principle/line? Suppose residents of a County or City overwhelmingly vote to be independent of their State or County, respectively? Would there be a valid legal or ethical basis to tell them that they can't, and how should that be enforced? I can imagine an infinite regression leading us into a Sov Cit scenario where everybody can declare themselves their own sovereign.
My original statement: If a state's voluntarily entered the union, why shouldn't they be able to voluntarily leave? That would be the line for me. But there is historical precedent. During the Civil War, West Virginia seceded from Virginia.
Was there a case that discussed the legality of this? I’d be interested to see whether West Virginia seceded from original, or a Virginia seceded from the Union and West Virginia said, no thanks.
I'd have to read more about it, but the state of Virginia, including the western portions, voted to secede. Then the western portions voted to secede from Virginia itself. I might be wrong but I think I read that somewhere once. Edit: Wheeling Convention - Wikipedia
I understand and wasn't calling you out or anything. It's an interesting legal and ethical issue. Depending upon the reasoning, I'm just not sure if or how drawing the line there is more obvious than drawing it at some other level of government. Interesting point about West Virginia. I will have to look into that.
I didn't think you were calling me out. I just underlined that I believe the state level would be the limit, at least in my opinion. Sorry if it was passive-aggressive, didn't mean to do that.
Have to pay the exit fee. Who gets the national parks? Who is going to build the wall around the state of Utah (can't have any open borders)? Go GATORS! ,WESGATORS
