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US Senator detained and cuffed at DHS press conference

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by exiledgator, Jun 12, 2025 at 4:12 PM.

  1. mikemcd810

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    Or one could argue that Noem is scared to field questions from a senator because there's n
    He was already in the building for a briefing so I find it hard to believe that Noem's security was completely unaware.
     
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  2. CaptUSMCNole

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    Did he notified Noem's PSD that he was going to enter a secure room ahead of time? Why not have a member of his staff go to Noem's staff and PSD and ask them to be allowed into the room ahead of time? If there was not time, why not wait until after the PC had ended to let her staff know he wanted to speak with her?
     
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  3. JustaGator

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    So we have to avoid the appearance of grandstanding and follow protocol when it is a sitting senator from California and Noem is on camera?

    Meanwhile Noem, who besides being ignorant of the basics of our law, abuses her position, routinely dresses up to grandstand and look tough for cameras while blatantly ignoring the Constitution and sends thugs out on our streets to harass and intimidate innocent people without probable cause?

    Then deports US citizens to foreign jails?

    And now we need the Marines for something the State of California can handle on their own, because Donald Trump wants us to focus here while he steals there?

    GTFO of here with your B.S.

    Why do we have US military personnel executing a DOMESTIC mission for an issue that it is NOT required for?

    What happened to the concept of states rights that the right goes ON and ON about for centuries?

    Oh I forgot, we elected a twice impeached FELON, AGAIN, after he tried to overstay his first term in the White House by having his supporters attack our government.

    Did he follow protocol, and decorum, and ask for a pass to do that?

    Of course not, he didn't even get a slap on the wrist by his cuck supporters who just like to watch while they are violated and abused by themselves.

    Now his little bald headed white supremacist cuck buddy gets to wipe his ass with the Constitution because lazy white people have to have someone who is brown to blame for their own failures.

    Gotcha.
     
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  4. tampajack1

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    He was 2 rooms down from her in a meeting when he found out she was having a press conference. He might have been showboating, but he was not a risk to anyone. If Noem had walked down to his meeting room, should security have slammed her face into a cement floor and handcuffed her?
     
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  5. CaptUSMCNole

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    1. I’m not a fan of Noem. I would prefer to see her go.
    2. I’m defending the PSD’s actions.
    3. You go through Protocol or have your staff do the things I mentioned to ensure things like this are avoided.
    4. This is not BS. This is how things actually work when you are dealing with Principals and their security. It is also how Senators know they are supposed to arrange meetings with Cabinet Secretaries.
    5. If you want to say Padilla ignored them, then you have to admit Padillia knew what he was doing and had to expect the results.
     
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  6. CaptUSMCNole

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    The majority of Senators do not have PSD’s, so the room would not have been considered secure. Just Majority and Minority Leaders have them, if I remember correctly.

    If the roles had been flipped, Noem would have been treated the exact same way.

    If people do not actually want to understand how these things work and want to stick with their preferred narrative, that is fine. Beat up on Noem and this Admin all you want, just leave the PSD guys doing their job out of it.
     
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  7. swampbabe

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    Plus, he is the ranking member of the Senate committee on immigration and homeland security. She knew good and well who he was.

    What’s not getting any real coverage was Noem’s rhetoric about “liberating” LA from their elected officials.
     
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  8. JustaGator

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    Is this the part where we discuss protocol around this same President having mob attack our Congress, I mean if we are going to talk about principals and their security?

    That security detail knew EXACTLY who the senator was, THEY were grandstanding for the camera.

    There IS NO SECURITY ISSUE with a senator asking questions to Noem on TV, she just couldn't bear the thought of Trump seeing HER being humiliated on TV, because she has no ability to answer even basic questions about her position and what it is for.

    What this administration is doing will be THEIR undoing. They sure the hell just pissed off the entire state of California.

    Imagine those protests will swell so they can send in more troops until we are in a full blown Constitutional crisis. Putin will be happy with his pet!

    The Trump administration is picking a REALLY dumb fight they won't win.

    Blue states like California keep Jethro and Lulu in ignorant red America well fed, no matter how many times they vote for a 38 time convicted felon from their double-wide so he can abuse them.
     
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  9. gtr2x

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    You really think she would have agreed to a meeting and taken his questions? ? The lack of administration response seems to be at the center of his frustration. She indicated that they had a brief follow up meeting but most likely that was just to save face at that point.

    All the talk about badges and protocol, makes me wonder what if it had been someone like Newsom or Harris asking the questions would the response still be cool. Just curious.
     
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  10. CaptUSMCNole

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    Again, the PSD was doing their job. If Pasilla wants to question Noem, he has other ways of going about it.

    I think Newsome has his own PSD. Not sure is Harris still has USSS protection. If either of them wanted to do it, they probably would not have allowed as their PSD would not allow them to go into the room until they had notified Noem’s PSD.
     
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  11. gatorrob87

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    ET, help me to understand what you are saying (not trying to troll, but I can assume media coverage, etc)
     
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    Both is a very strong possibility.
     
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  13. CaptUSMCNole

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    Again, the PSD had no reason to know who Padilla is in that moment and had no reason to expect him entering into the room unannounced. That is not how these things actually work.

    Do you really think a bunch of government GS-11/12’s want to end up being the political scapegoats for this event? Not to mention, being on the political hit list of one of the major political parties and have to start paying for lawyers if they are called to testify in front of Congress or even sued on a $90k to $110k salary? Do you think that they all recognized Padilla and decided that this was their chance to destroy their careers and rough up a US Senator? These guys need this amount of smoke like they need a hole in the head.
     
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  14. gtr2x

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    Well, that was not really an answer to my question but ok.
     
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    It is important to note they were in a secured building and he walked into the room (no outside security stopped) vs a random location and site security.

    Lots of show boating and over reaction all around. I would be interested on the lapel pin, as I thought there was something in earlier frames. Didn’t rewatch.
     
  16. CaptUSMCNole

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    I'm responding to the part of your question that deals with the technical aspects of PSD security. At this point, that is all I am really interested in discussing.
     
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  17. gtr2x

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    Well my question was obviously an answerable what if, but you deferred. That's fine. Adios.
     
  18. JustaGator

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    FWIW, chatgpt disagrees with your assessment:

    Here’s what truly happened on June 12, 2025:

    • Senator Alex Padilla (D‑CA), the chair of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, attempted to ask a question at a press conference in Los Angeles hosted by DHS Secretary Kristi Noem.

    • According to video and multiple reports, Padilla calmly identified himself—“I am Senator Alex Padilla. I have questions for the secretary”—but was nonetheless grabbed by Secret Service agents, pushed out, forced to the ground, and briefly handcuffed elpais.com+15axios.com+15latimes.com+15.

    • The DHS and FBI defended the action, claiming he didn’t wear his Senate security pin and “lunged” toward Noem. Yet video footage from CBS, AP, and other outlets shows no lunge or physical threat; he remained several feet away axios.com+2thedailybeast.com+2sfchronicle.com+2.

    “Should” have happened?

    Absolutely not.
    1. Seniority and Protocol Violation: Padilla is a ranking senator and leader of the Homeland Security Committee—the agency’s top congressional overseer. Security teams are professionally expected to recognize such high‑ranking officials or, at minimum, verify identification before using force.

    2. Coordination Failure: This wasn’t a chaotic protest or surprise intrusion—it occurred during a controlled DHS event inside a federal building. Proper protocol requires pre-coordination among security teams to identify and accommodate the presence of high-level officials like Padilla.

    3. Legal Protections: Members of Congress have legal authority to ask questions and conduct oversight in government buildings. Restraining a senator who properly identifies himself is contrary to congressional rights and norms.

    4. Public and Bipartisan Outcry: The reaction has been swift and strong—Democrats are calling it disturbing and authoritarian, while even some Republicans expressed shock. Calls are emerging for investigations into DHS conduct and for accountability en.wikipedia.org+15axios.com+15thedailybeast.com+15nypost.com.
    Bottom line
    No—this incident should not have happened. DHS security details are expected to know and defer to sitting senators, especially those in oversight positions, and to verify identity before intervening. What happened with Senator Padilla reflects a serious breakdown in protocol, training, and inter-agency coordination.
     
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  19. mikemcd810

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    Nonsense. There's almost no chance they were unaware a senator was in the building and who he was.
     
  20. CaptUSMCNole

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    I do not need ChatGPT to tell me things I have years of experience in.

    Answer the question, do you really think those guys did it intentionally knowing all the blow back they would have to deal with after?
     
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