US Air Force to deny retirement pay to transgender service members being separated from the service

The bacon you gave me in post #8 is basically a comment. You disagreed that they should be paid.

 

Classic “both sides” Tilly take! You claim it’s not hate, but then say “something is broken with those people”. How could you possibly know that without knowing and evaluating the individuals involved? Like… you actually think 100% of these trans people serving in the military are “broken people”? Seriously? It’s just about as ignorant as Bill’s comments.

I think we know that in general terms, trans folks have higher degrees of life issues. But that definitely doesn’t mean 100% are mentally ill, or even that those stats apply to those folks who enlist in the military (I’d assume those who had a military career are at least more “well adjusted” considering they had careers going… careers that are being robbed from them) . The issue is some seem to have cartoon level understanding of the issue, like some actually think the entire thing boils down to a squad of loud and proud male —> female Rupauls who “cut their Johnson’s off”. I doubt that scenario is even close to representative of the avg soldier we are talking about, let alone 100% of them.

 

And you clearly know nothing about and will (apparently) never accept there's a long scientific / psychosocial study history surrounding gender dysphoria, across cultures and generations. It is widely regarded as a biological condition, NOT a mental illness.

The initiative in this case to remove persons from active military service and deny pensions is just flat-out wrong.

 

MAGA is not allowed to comment on it so it's understandable why you avoided answering

 

Ok. Not sure how that is a "both sides" take, but Ok.

 

Seems pretty obvious to me. Both sides is you ostensibly defending their retirement rights, and then saying it’s “not hate” to purge them all while also calling them all “broken people”.

I think each person should be judged individually based on job performance.

 

Gender dysphoria may not be "normal" if you define normal as average, but what makes something abnormal a mental illness? Humans come in all shapes, sizes, and colors, with a wide variety of likes and dislikes. The average, normal person likes ice cream, but I've known people who hate it. Do they have a mental illness because they aren't "normal?"

Gender dysphoria has been a human condition for a long time. Just because it isn't "normal" doesn't make it a mental illness. And as the American Psychological Association puts it, gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness because the condition doesn't guarantee a person isn't high functioning and well adjusted. And personally, I'm going to take the words of the APA and WHO over some lay person who labels different as a mental disorder. And one that's likely never had a serious encounter with someone trans and got to know them.

 

az- I am never going to agree with you on men trying to say they are women or men who cut off their johnson are in anyway normal - so let's just leave it at that

 

Trans people don't need your approval. Or even understanding. But you should treat them as human beings and not deny them their rights. Nor should you, a lay person, diagnose them with a mental illness. Plenty of well adjusted, happy trans people in the v world.

It's also not a new phenomenon. The first gender reassignment surgery was done in Germany in 1922. And men in drag have been entertaining us from Some Like it Hot in the 1950s too Bosom Buddies in the 80s, too today's Ru Paul Drag Race.

 

Or, again, let them continue to serve. Kicking them out is just political spite.

 

Trans is a biological issue first with mental illness as a common problem that often follows.

 

Notice how all Trump supporters are ignoring the question at hand. Is the Administration correct in denying retirement benefits for this group of people?

 

Source please?
What mental illness(es) specifically?
And please use terms that the psychological profession uses.

 

Gender Identity Disorder existed in the psychological community for years (until 2019 according to the WHO) and really has changed due to social changes more than any real science.

I am sorry, normal human behavior would not desire cutting off parts or adding unnatural parts. I'm not talking about cross dressing or drag. While weird, It may not be a disorder, but when it comes to basically mutilating your body, that's a different story.

 

Arbiters of “normal” running rampant.

Certain “posters” like to impose on the whole world.

1) Every person is a person
2) Nope, some ain’t. I said so.

 

Not all trans persons go through gender reassignment surgery. So is your thesis that only those who go through surgery have a mental illness? Are the military service members mentally ill? If so, how are they able to serve ably for years?

Btw, the term Gender Identity Disorder is no longer used. Gender Dysphoria and Gender Incongruence are the terms now used in medicine. And evolving science finds the causation is due to biological factors and not external forces. In other words, born this way.

 

They were wrong denying benefits.
But maybe I’m not who you’re looking for as i don’t care for Trump all that much.

 

Certainly anxiety and depression.

 

No

 

I’m guessing you’re not okay with circumcision then.