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Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by 62gator, Nov 18, 2020.

  1. Claygator

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    From the sounds of it, some of the staffers he feels are key to his success at Texas aren't keen to make the jump. They probably recognize that he won't be at UT for too long and they are better off staying put.

    While I'm not one of the people with a beef against Meyer for leaving UF, I really hope he doesn't cite "health" reasons again when he leaves Texas. That tune won't play in Paducah anymore.
     
  2. partdopy

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    Honest question, not being an Urban hater - when has he ever built anything? The only jobs I've seen him take are ones already loaded with talent that is better than the talent in the rest of the conference.

    As an example, look what happened when Saban joined Alabama in 2007 and actually 'built' something out of a team that had strugged since the 90's. Urban suddenly had opposition with talent that was as good and in some cases better, and he got run out of the building in 2009 and 2010.

    Without superior talent his system does not work. Look at his years as OSU - great athletes surrounded by a conference of also rans.

    This is why I'm not really buying the Urban to Texas thing. As far as I know Texas doesn't have the talent to out-athlete the big 12. I might be wrong but I just don't see it.
     
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  3. gtj31

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    Interesting because I see Saban almost identically different at Bama. 2005 Alabama was VERY good. Tyrone Prothro ring a bell. Guy was nuts until that unfortunate day against the Gators.

    Bama under Shula annihilated Florida 31-3 in 2005 and by the way, UF’s leading rusher in that game was Earl Everett. Yep, the LB... on a fake punt.
     
  4. partdopy

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    Sure they were not bad for 20 years straight but this isn't exactly a record of a powerhouse

    2006 - 6-7
    2005 - 10-2
    2004 - 6 - 6
    2003 - 4 - 9
    2002 - 10 - 3
    2001 - 7 - 5
    2000 - 3 - 8
    1999 - 10 - 3
    1998 - 7 - 5
    1997 - 4 - 7

    During that time they had 3 different head coaches and went to 6 bowl games out of 10 years, losing 4 of those.

    Again I'm not being an Urban hater and perpetuating the tale that he ran away from Saban (obviously not as he beat Alabama in the 2015 sugar bowl). I'm just noting that I've never seen him come in and clean up / rebuild a program, only take jobs with superior overall talent than competitors. I don't think Texas has that.
     
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  5. lerxst6

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    friend of mine that’s a huge Buckeye fan (not connected insider) says that Allegedly lots of folks in Columbus were happy to see Herman leave and that Herman was tight with the whack job assistant coach that had abused his wife.
     
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  6. gatormater

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    You must be associating "built" with over a long period of time. He's basically stepped into 3 different programs and made them championship contenders within 3 years. He helped make Utah a nationally relevant football team in 2 seasons and their program has benefited from that to this day.

    Given that we've waited over 10 years to be nationally relevant again, it's clearly not easy to win championships regardless of the program you inherit. Besides, once you get to the top, there's no reason for you to go elsewhere to rebuild - you go to the top payer with the best possible conditions for success.

    So yes, go ahead and compare him to Saban, but that's about the only coach you can compare him to in the modern era as far as similar levels of elite coaching, motivational skills, and recruiting.
     
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  7. partdopy

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    By built I mean took a team that didn't have the best athletes in the conference overall and/or had a bad culture and then fixed the culture while recruiting the best athletes. He was successful here and at OSU pretty much immediately because the athletes were better than what the opposition had.

    Ron Zook wasn't great, but even his below average coaching never had a losing season because the athletes he inherited and recruited were that good.

    I didn't follow Utah so maybe he did that their and I'm wildly incorrect.

    He gave these same athletes to Urban who used them in his system to dominate for the majority of his tenure until talent caught up. You can't run his offense if the defense can both contain your QB and cover your receivers, which is tough to do when he has talent like he did at UF and OSU. Alabama was able to bring the defensive talent in to do it and shut it down quite well. Again, I'm not saying he's a bad coach as this is demonstrably not true, I just don't think Texas has the turnkey talent he needs to do well enough to keep the fan base happy.
     
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  8. gtj31

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    To make this more apples to apples, you need to go with recruiting rankings and not records. Zook’s records weren’t better than Shula. You are arguing Meyer walked into a better situation because of recruits and then quote Bama’s record. And I have no clue what Bama’s recruiting rankings were. So you might be right.

    Also, Texas ABSOLUTELY has better athletes than nearly the entire Big XII. Based on recruiting rankings, only OU would hold a candle. The Big XII isn’t exactly a recruiting powerhouse.
     
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  9. zoltanuf

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    Some recruiting rankings:

    Texas
    2021 - 17
    2020 - 8
    2019 - 3
    2018 - 3

    Oklahoma
    2021 - 11
    2020 - 12
    2019 - 6
    2018 - 9

    Oklahoma State
    2021 - 42
    2020 - 40
    2019 - 38
    2018 - 34

    TCU
    2021 - 99
    2020 - 24
    2019 - 31
    2018 - 25

    West Virginia
    2021 - 32
    2020 - 37
    2019 - 48
    2018 - 35

    Baylor
    2021 - 45
    2020 - 50
    2019 - 35
    2018 - 29

    Iowa State
    2021 - 51
    2020 - 46
    2019 - 46
    2018 - 55
     
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  10. tommyvee

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    Urban would kill it at Texas or USC.
     
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  11. Gatuar

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    Urban is an insanely talented option for a 5 yr return to glory and a natty

    He’s a sick fit at Tx will run ramshod over OU crootin like crazy and retire exactly 1.5 yrs after a natty and CFP appearance
     
  12. filamg8torfan

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    You better hope he goes to UT and not the UTeeth team the gators about to play. The way UTeeth fans are talking, some really want to bring in Coach Urbs.
     
  13. Gatuar

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    I can’t imagine he wants any part of Tennessee ... i did mine it when GA sucked and Tennessee was our rival tho
     
  14. filamg8torfan

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    Nobody knows what coach Urbs think. I don't even think his wife knows. But I will really hate it if he goes and coach at UF's rival. The same way I hated it when OBC coached at USCe even though they are not UF's rival.
     
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  15. sqgator

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    Can’t see Urban joining Vols at all, it will be so much harder to rebuild that program.
     
  16. thenazz

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    Maybe he's compelled, but if I were Coach Urbs I'd stay sidelined. Doesn't need the money or the stress.
     
  17. KronoGator

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    He won't go to the SEC or Big 10, he's already been there/won that.
     
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  18. maxgator

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    You cannot be serious. Bama was crappy aside from maybe 1 year under shula.
     
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  19. Gatorfred

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    I think I may have heard that Shelly was spotted in Nashville house hunting.
     
  20. justinwitt07

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    Is anyone else seeing this cj Vogel stuff about Mullen being in consideration for the Texas job ?