UPDATE: Police said he died in a car crash... FINALLY ... charges files against officers

As a lawyer, I'd say that I would need to have more evidence before I could make the call. I'm also not sure what lawyer you're discussing. The AP video I saw had a use-of-force expert, not a lawyer. And that gentleman was formerly a police chief in Florida.

 

Ahhh, I think I figured out the malfunction. You may be surprised to learn Judge Dredd was not a documentary or training film.

 

If nothing else you’re persistent.

 

I dont know why you're such a miserable person but I feel sorry for you and hope things turn around. God bless and I will keep you in my prayers.

 

I am not a miserable person. Just the only person here who see's this for what it really is. Another attempt by the MSM and their sheeple to make the Police the bad guys and an attempt by lawyers and the family of thugs to collect huge sums of money while all the time pretending to be crusaders against the evil LEOs.

 

After wasting 45 minutes of my life watching that body cam, a couple things stood out. “Put your hands behind your back” and “I’m scared”
I’m not dumb enough lead the police on a chase, but I’m definitely smart enough to, when caught, do wtf they ask me to do.
What person, not looking to sue, says aloud that they are scared. Lol

 

I didn’t realize dead guys could say ”I’m scared”. That’s some creepy stuff. Maybe a ghost ?
Did you actually watch the video?

 

I'm not so sure the "Died on impact" claim came from the cops. If I am not mistaken the original news stories at the time it happened the cops simply said he died of injuries from the accident. I think the claim that the cops said he "died on impact" was simply fabricated. Like I said take the time to watch the entire video then tell me where he was beaten outside of the few minutes he was being subdued and even then he was not beaten.

It also appears to me that one of the points you guys and the MSM reporters are high on is the officer turning off the sound on his body cam. Things were very calm and quiet when he turned off the sound. The video stayed on, I believe it when the officer said the cam was making a beeping sound so he turned off the sound. Watch it around the time the sound is turned off. There is nothing going on to hide there.

Until proven wrong I will stand by everything I have said in this thread. Maybe I was a little harsh about the deserves to be beat comment but I saw from the beginning that there as usual was a lot more to this story than was presented in the biased material linked in the original post.

 

Greene’s autopsy showed he had a blood alcohol level above the legal limit in Louisiana with “significant” levels of cocaine in his system. And this is while he was supposedly driving to Florida in the middle of the night to see his wife.

Kind of answers the question of why Greene didn’t just pull over when cops attempted to stop him. Thank goodness no one else was hurt that evening.

 

It is possible that Greene broke the law and still shouldn't have been killed by police for doing that. Justifying cops breaking the law with the "bad guys" breaking the law just conveniently ignores the fact that both are still criminals.

 

Exactly. You can't be hard on criminals for breaking the law and then turn around give those who swore to uphold the law a pass without being a giant hypocrite.

 

I still say they were ridiculously aggressive once they pulled the guy over. People who are out of their minds on drugs simply cannot respond to that type of "authority." Repeated use of mf'er like that indicates an emotional response rather than a tactical response, in my opinion. They keep screaming at him "get out of the car" - when he doesn't respond to that and says "I'm scared," is that even processed by the police officers? All they could do is think about how the driver not being physically compliant deserved a greater level of hostility...it just doesn't make any sense. Honestly, it's painful to watch. That guy was presenting no threat to them. They weren't doing what they were doing because they felt threatened, they were doing it because he wasn't listening. Glad this video is out there, now we can have better discussions on what is an appropriate use of force.

@Gator515151 tell me what you lose in that situation if you calmly approach the vehicle once he is pulled over. He wasn't rushing to get out of the car and be on the run; he was trying to hole up in his car because he didn't know how he would have been treated. What negative thing would have happened if they tried to de-escalate the situation?

And for what it's worth, I'm not saying what he did was appropriate either leading up to that point or once he was pulled over, but that's a separate issue from asking "is there room for improvement from the policing side?" Do you think there is room for improvement? If so, how? If not, why?

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

I follow you WES but I also think that you choose your battles. If you are going to try to make the Police the bad guys you choose a case where they clearly overstep their boundaries. If you are trying to make someone a martyr you maybe choose someone who was acting somewhat normal.

I also believe you have to give the police a little leaway in these situations, You can only imagine the adrenalin rush from chasing someone at over 100 mph for miles and trying to get him stopped before he kills someone.

Also why must the words "black man" have to show up in the title of all these stories? I don't know if any of you remember the story of my brother in law who was killed by the police in 1980 in Springfield MO but he was white. He was unarmed. However I only heard one of his relatives complain and that was my wife's mother. The rest of her family understood that Ronnie was a thug and probably got what was coming to him. He was caught breaking into a warehouse and when the police told him to get on the ground he got aggressive. He was shot through the heart and his partner in crime was also shot but lived.

 

That story doesn’t fit the narrative. What does fit it, though, is a guy saying “I’m scared”. No one does that. That stood out to me more than anything on that cam

 

Exactly. What did he have to be scared of?

 

Doesn’t happen. Sorry.