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UPDATE: “Gator Bait” chant no longer will be used.

Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by slocala, Jun 13, 2020.

  1. RIP

    RIP Election Prediction Savant VIP Member

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    The argument from vax doesn't make any sense. In order to know that something was used in a horribly racist form (the imagery associated with the words, not the chant) wouldn't you have to first learn about it? How could anyone know anything if it wasn't brought to light at some point in time?
     
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  2. gatorknights

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    I could live with that.
     
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  3. rump74

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    Calling yourself something isnt a bad thing nor a terrorist act. Its when you join the group of like minded people in the streets and proceed to destroy private property, loot, burn buildings and beat people with bike locks that it becomes bad and terroristic.
     
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  4. rump74

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    Im guessing anyone that cheers it anywhere, at anyone will immediately be shammed as a racist and proclaimed an immoral POS.
     
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  5. rump74

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    Perhaps. But odd stuff like that will aggravate me so I'm guessing I will continue until I find what I'm looking for. I had a similar occurrence happen a couple of months ago when Jason's Deli pumped Spacehog- "In The Meantime" over their hi-fi. Took me weeks to figure out who wrote that song.
    I have posted links where the symbol is used by Antifa. The removed ad sole message is in reference to stopping Antifa.
    Trump has appointed blacks to high positions, written and passed legislation for HBCs, has a Jew as an advisor and son-in-law...
    But what does hold water is 80 years ago the Nazis used various shapes, in various colors and Trump is dog-whistling to the Aryan race?
     
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  6. rump74

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    Found it! In a link on a CNN article of all places.

    Antifa Poster | Spreadshirt

    Heres the link to the CNN article:
    Facebook takes down Trump ads for using Nazi symbol - CNN

    Couple of interesting things in that article. They link other products that I assume show Antifa use of the red triangle. The products are now removed.
    https://www.redbubble.com/i/sticker...ntifa-left-symbol-by-reydefine/43631729.EJUG5
    https://www.cafepress.com/+red_triangle_antifascist_antifascism_antifa_,453598947

    Give it a month and all Antifa usage of the symbol will be scrubbed and CNN will write a follow up story stating only Trump and Nazi Socialists use it.

    Also interesting is CNN consults the ADL on the symbol but nowhere is it mentioned by CNN or ADL that ADL doesnt consider it a symbol of hate.
    I got $ that the symbol will be on ADL's list by Independence Day.
     
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  7. GatorGuyDallas

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    Spreadshirt is a make your own t-shirt site. I'm curious when Jevaz from Spain designed that shirt. I'm looking at the code on the site and have not been able to tell yet. Jevaz has a variety of custom stuff for sale. The vast majority of it not those triangles. A good chunk of naked guys. Have fun with your search.
     
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  8. hoyt233

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    Prattvile, AL-Go Lions!
    I'm watching the Tom Petty concert held in Gainesville back in the good days. They just played "I Won't Back Down"-it's kind of sad because we did.
     
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  9. rump74

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    Hey man, I'd appreciate it if you paid attention. You're hearing, not listening.
    Spreadshirt and Jevaz isn't the point. The point was to find an example of an Antifa logo I've seen in use before. I took the time and did that. I also provided other Antifa uses of the symbol.
    The examples I've provided are valid and real. They dont jive with what I'm guessing you want to be true so you write them off as invalid. Your prerogative.

    Back to the original topic - Banning a cheer based on a 100 year old urban legend is lunacy and no huge loss.
    How much "progress" or augmentation of lunacy will it take to ban a sport you dearly love because it was invented by bored, white, elites steeped in privilege, looking for an adequate substitute for Civil War?
     
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  10. GatorGuyDallas

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    No interest. Carry on. Good luck with the naked guys.
     
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  11. rump74

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    Yep, yep. Heres your ball, I assume you know the way home.
     
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    Wow, I wasn't even this mad when HBO cancelled John From Cincinnati and that was an entire series, not just a cheer.
     
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  13. Tjgators

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    ANTIFA are white dudes hiding behind masks looting, rioting and acting violent against American citizens. They are everywhere. Neo Nazis and White Supremacists are a small group of dumb people that are insignificant. Racism is real and all throughout the country, but the Neo Nazi's and the KKK do not have a big following, yet it's a huge talking point on the left. If the KKK had a yearly meeting from everyone around the country, how many people would show up? Very few. Antifa drawfs those racist white groups and does way more damage to the country. The media and ANTIFA are one in the same.

    And that symbol imagery you speak of is widely used by Antifa , which was pointed out by the Trump ads. Spin is unbelievable. Add to that, it's the red triangle is an emoji you can use on FB. FB & Twitter are facilitating the Antifa communist strategy, which is violent in nature.
     
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  14. RIP

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    THEY ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!
     
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  15. thegatorvault

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    This discussion really isn't a discussion any longer, it is a rabbit hole or better yet a huge flush and we are finally circling the bottom of the funnel.

    I'll try again. It seems you are trying to make some esoteric points about my use of 'bowing to the mob' or the word 'mob'. You don't like the phrase/term because you think it is inherently dismissive and your point is that I used it incorrectly since there isn't truly a mob, and that the term is even somehow further determined by group bias; if you are an out-group, the mob is a monolithic threat "coming after whatever it is that you support". But if you are an in-group, it is just a bunch of people with "varying degrees of displeasure". I then asked you if your point was that I should have substituted 'mob' with a 'group of people voicing displeasure to varying degrees", but you never answered this one.

    Then you say that if there was a mob in the figurative sense, it would be "those going after Fuchs for making this decision." And although I am not calling for Fuchs resignation or threatening to stop 'giving' to UF, you inferred that my silence is passive approval or affirms my inclusion in the mob. Then you finally admitted that by insulting him while others are calling for his firing, I am indeed a mobster.

    Lastly, you say that you calling out the Fuchs mob, and my inclusion, is done by you using my 'standards'. Funny. I never provided you with any standards. I never gave a definition of 'the mob'. I told you that you are thinking too much and reading too much into the phrase I chose, for whatever reason I don't know. Regardless, in your attempts to illuminate me, YOU decided to define my position. YOU tried to tell me I was incorrect in it's application and why. You defined my 'standards. There is a certain level of hypocrisy here and it is really hard to determine whether you think I actually birthed these details or if you realized your error (by defining the Fuchs mob and my inclusion) and are using these projected standards as your justification for using those terms.

    If its the latter, let me see if I have this straight......Fuchs got rid of the Gator Bait cheer and circumvented possible protests from an imaginary group of people. This group would not have been unified but would have surely voiced varying degrees of displeasure with the cheer. Because this act changed something I didn't want to be changed, it caused me to improperly label this imaginary group a mob. They cannot be a mob, because they don't exist. And even if they did exist, I should be aware that my use of the term 'mob' is inherently dismissive of their feelings. I was also incorrect for calling Fuch a coward for bowing to this imaginary group. His decision was actually brave because he knew the outcome; it would beget the unified Fuchs mob, which now includes me. Our mob's goal is to get him to bow down to us and restore that which he has taken away. But the Fuchs mob is not real either, and your benevolent 'mob' label was placed on my group in the hopes I would see the error of my thinking i.e. the Fuchs mob exists only because of my incorrect definition of a 'mob' (which was actually supplied by you). Because you are transcendent on such matters, you would never use such a term like 'mob'. Like the imaginary group I incorrectly called a mob, the Fuchs mob is really just a group of people voicing varying degrees of displeasure. Makes sense.
     
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    You didn't read the links upthread, must have missed Charlottesville, and do not follow white supremacy and new naziism much.

    And when you say this, "The media and ANTIFA are one in the same," you are just regurgitating fake news from a bubble.

    Anyway, here are more links you can ignore because they are ANTIFA.

    New Hate and Old: The Changing Face of American White Supremacy



    The neo-Nazi plot against America is much bigger than we realize

    White Nationalist
     
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  17. Tjgators

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    First that ADL website and organization is really interesting, since the left trashes Jews. They do. BBC says attracted 600 extremist around the country? Thank you for supporting my claim that the number is minuet.

    There is not an alt right BTW that has a big following. Conservatism is not alt right and has millions of followers. 2nd link is from the Guardian, a left wing British rag. Why would anyone care what they had to say? Then you used the SPLC? Holy crap. Don't talk bad about Islam or these guys will get you. Those haters have lots of hate lists. Targeting conservatives has been very lucrative for this radical group. Great sources!
     
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  18. GatorGuyDallas

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    I've never met a KKK member (that I know of) and I've never met an Antifa member (that I know of). They are both fringe groups. One fights against (with bad methods sometimes) fascism. One wants the white race to subjugate the black race.

    If I have to pick sides - I can pick sides.
     
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  19. duchen

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    You wrote: "Don't talk bad about Islam or these guys will get you." You outed yourself.
     
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    just saw this sorry if it is a dupe

     
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