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UK's is ground zero for right wing state authoritarianism

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by citygator, Dec 26, 2023.

  1. citygator

    citygator VIP Member

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    The right to protest is under attack in Britain where their rights are more implied than enumerated in a document like ours. They have even made it a crime to walk slowly and another to ban the accused from telling juries in court the circumstance of their protest.

    Right wing government leaders (in power from Europe's push back against immigration) say laws are to limit protests impact on public transit and curtail jury nullification based on protesters' goals. It looks alot like Desantis' blueprint in Florida, doesn't it?

    Our government framework is much more resistant than UK's is to right wing state authoritarianism but even here it relies on a neutral court. The undermining of that could be our undoing. Is Britain erosion of freedom the the right wing blueprint?

    Havent seen @LimeyGator in a while but would be interested in his opinion here as well.

    This Basic Right Is Under Threat In Britain

    LONDON (AP) — For holding a sign outside a courthouse reminding jurors of their right to acquit defendants, a retiree faces up to two years in prison. For hanging a banner reading “Just Stop Oil” off a bridge, an engineer got a three-year prison sentence. Just for walking slowly down the street, scores of people have been arrested.

    They are among hundreds of environmental activists arrested for peaceful demonstrations in the U.K., where tough new laws restrict the right to protest.

    The Conservative government says the laws prevent extremist activists from hurting the economy and disrupting daily life. Critics say civil rights are being eroded without enough scrutiny from lawmakers or protection by the courts. They say the sweeping arrests of peaceful demonstrators, along with government officials labeling environmental activists extremists, mark a worrying departure for a liberal democracy.

    Britain is one of the world’s oldest democracies, home of the Magna Carta, a centuries-old Parliament and an independent judiciary. That democratic system is underpinned by an “unwritten constitution” — a set of laws, rules, conventions and judicial decisions accumulated over hundreds of years. The effect of that patchwork is “we rely on self-restraint by governments," said Andrew Blick, author of “Democratic Turbulence in the United Kingdom” and a political scientist at King's College London. “You hope the people in power are going to behave themselves.”

    Britain may stand alone next year in lurching to the left
    For the first time it is quite possible that a majority of MEPs will be Eurosceptic right-wingers. While the European Parliament does not have much law-making power in its own right, it does exert massive influence on other EU institutions and its complexion will be a key indicator of which way the political wind is blowing across the continent.

    There is no doubt that public unease about mass immigration, particularly of minority groups who show little desire to integrate into European values, is the main driver of right-wing support. Could the Schengen Agreement that renders most of Europe a single domain without internal frontiers be about to collapse? The European elections will determine that.
     
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  2. duggers_dad

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    LOL, “Right Wing Authoritarianism”

    Also: LOL at the notion of free speech over here.
     
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    Is that similar to Kaiser University (but just in Germany)?
     
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  4. citygator

    citygator VIP Member

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    Charlotte
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    UK’s free speech protections are nowhere near what ours are with first amendment.
     
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    The UK does not want a formal constitution with a written declaration of rights. The monarchy would never survive that process. And for some strange reason that will never make sense to us, too many English like to pretend that their troupe of below-average humans posing as royals is something special.
     
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  8. Trickster

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    My daughter lives and works in London. She found the article laughable insofar as it claims protests are restricted. She's been to several with hundreds of thousands with zero problems. From afar, she and the people she works and hangs out with find what's going on in this country far more alarming than what's going on there. (For sure, this in anecdotal.)
     
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  9. duggers_dad

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    UK probably farther down the road than we are.

    Not in a good way.
     
  10. LimeyGator

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    Happy New year, all.

    Honest take? Not a massive amount going on here. It reminds me of those signs disclaiming legal responsibility when, in practice, they don't mean much.

    This was met with resistance when announced and Brits will protest when it suits us still. All those laws did was give the police more powers that, in reality, they won't likely use in large scale protest. That's the thing about Brits - we'll behave until people tell us we have to behave, then all bets are off. While the article is accurate, it's not the disaster it could appear.

    A top 5-8 UK University. Highly respected.

    British exceptionalism is live and well for many. Most of us normal ones just realise the Royals are relatively harmless and we're happy to co-exist with them. A bit like wasps.

    Britain will have a May (2024) General Election and barring a turnaround akin to Superbowl 51, Labour will be in power and working to reverse some of damage the current shower of incompetence have made to the economy for the past 13 years. "Lurch" to the left is not true on two levels - 1) This will be one of the most moderate Labour Governments in years - the voters they are trying to capture are to the right, not the far left (unlike previous elections) and 2) A lot of Conservative voters will move to Reform UK, who push a very nationalist agenda as many disenfranchised Tories feel their party doesn't go far enough. Those political goals will still be in the news.

    At this stage, I just want some competent public officials who are not so brazenly self serving and complacent. I've lost all trust in any politicians to act in the capacity of true service. Pipe dreams, I know!
     
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  11. duggers_dad

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    I was stupefied that Labor didn’t present themselves as an alternative to lockdowns. There were only two parties: Lock Down and Lock Down Harder. But to be fair, it’s not like our Republicans put up much of a fight.
     
  12. Trickster

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    I'm sure most in the UK as in the US rightly deferred to the experts and are thankful for the millions of lives saved by the lockdowns.

    Question: if you're a limey born and bred, how'd you become a.Gator?
     
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    LOL, millions of lives saved by lockdowns.

    The “experts” of the time, the architects of the lockdowns, are presently engaged in a circular firing squad.
     
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    highly rated worldwide, my daughter is studying physical therapy there now. higher rated than UF on a global scale
     
  15. citygator

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    Let’s hope your optimism plays out vs us watching the frog boil because it didn’t notice the water getting hotter and hotter.
     
  16. LimeyGator

    LimeyGator Official Brexit Reporter!

    Long story short, on exchange to UF in the late 90s. I was there when we had Spurrier and Donovan coaching and I will never not appreciate that. :)
    Still bleed O&B, obsessively, from the UK today. Haven't left the house without some Gator merch/wear in 2 decades...

    First off, I love that phrase. I'm going to shamelessly pinch it.

    Secondly, there's a good chance there's an element of truth in it for the UK. Generally we're pretty good at sleeping at the wheel. But I feel this was made sufficiently 'bright light' over here when it happened. Certainly enough to put it on the radar and the response was noted. We're just drinking some tea in the meantime until it gets real again. :)
     
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  17. Trickster

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    When one ask if one wants a cuppa, does that mean tea unless otherwise specified?

    Our youngest daughter went to the UK to get a degree at LSE. (Our oldest has one from the Cartould Institute!) She is now on maternity leave (a year at reduced pay - y’all don’t pay lip service to “family values” as we American do) and works at Christian Aid. She loves it there.
     
  18. LimeyGator

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    Cuppa? 'Brew', yes ALWAYS, Tea. If you want Coffee, we'll say coffee.
    We are all the memes you know.

    LSE is a great university.
     
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  20. phatGator

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    Mr Bean on free speech in the UK. He makes a lot of sense.

     
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