Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!
  1. Father's Day is coming.... Give your Dad a gift he’ll appreciate all year long and save up to $20!

    This year, for a limited time and in limited quantities, you can take advantage of our Father's Day Special package and get a discount on top of it. This special won't be around long, so here's how to jump on it now -- click here for details!

Twitter (Updates)

Discussion in 'Awesome Recruiting' started by bvgator789, Feb 12, 2019.

  1. GatorMatt06

    GatorMatt06 GC Legend

    907
    190
    333
    Oct 4, 2008
    Atlanta, GA
    Idk I couldn’t disagree more that “winning is everything” in recruiting. There are plennnnnty of examples of teams with bad seasons and they still nabbed top classes. Hell FSU is shaping up that way this year, LSU had a top 5 class last year even though they were falling apart at the seams and this year they’re #2 so far. TAMU has been in the top 10 solidly since Jimbo got there, 2x in the top 6, and TAMU hasn’t come close to beating Bama. Oregon is consistently at the top without much to show for it under Cristobal. Ron Zook was hauling in extremely talented classes and fired in 3 years because we didn’t win. Muschamp similar (though his class balance was not great). Best recruiting class ever until Bama last year actually. One season where we were good and it was miserable to watch on offense.

    Sure a lot of teams that are winning have top classes but is it the chicken or the egg? I think in general recruiting is a personality game and if your staff doesn’t have it, good luck. You can punch well above your weight and no one will care. We just went to the SECCG and 3 straight NY6 bowl games. What exactly have we gotten from that? Ultimately personalities and connections matter more than on the field product, especially for new staffs at top programs historically.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
  2. kryptonite

    kryptonite GC Hall of Fame

    2,164
    556
    418
    Dec 12, 2008
    I find it discouraging that we miss on the elite, elite kids, but I am resigned to it.

    Face it. Even with Urbs, who is the best recruiter, bar none, we couldn't get in the top 3 recruiting classes every year. Despite being in a hotbed of talent in Florida we have some built in disadvantages in recruiting, the biggest being our having an administration that will never forget we almost got the death penalty in the 80s and not having the best coordinated network of boosters.

    I get a little solace from knowing that we get consistently under-ranked by the major recruiting services. A recent Athletic article really exposed that, showing how our 2016 class would be re-ranked as the number 3 class. The NFL guys in that class: Swain, Cleveland, Hammond, Jawaan Taylor, Polite, Joseph, Gardner, Perine, Piniero, Reese, Trask, Forsythe, Heggie and Franks is jawdropping especially when you consider how lowly some of them were ranked and how 4 '16 recruits who were 4 stars and looked like they would be sure NFL guys didn't pan out as well as expected in Clayton, Thompson, Smith and Moon. The rate of contribution (and excelling as elite) of those who were 3 stars or worse was astounding. Another example is Kyle Pitts. We knew what we got, and Mullen called him the best TE recruit when he signed, but most recruiting services had him in the teens at his position. The '20 and '21 classes are full of guys that are head-scratching under-ranked, and some of our early commitments and likely commits in '22 are athletic freaks whose rankings again don't match the raw talent.

    I am just concerned that Mullen stays consistent, if not great (and he never will be because its not who he is), and doesn't revert to the level of his first two classes in '17 and '18, which as a whole were probably ranked close to what the real talent was, because the bottom half of the classes have not shown that they are better than where they were ranked.
     
  3. bobbybaker86

    bobbybaker86 GC Hall of Fame

    7,445
    4,551
    603
    Sep 4, 2017
     
  4. bobbybaker86

    bobbybaker86 GC Hall of Fame

    7,445
    4,551
    603
    Sep 4, 2017
    • Like Like x 1
  5. cubangator

    cubangator GC Legend

    999
    280
    268
    Jul 8, 2017
    Georgia 4 * OL Addison Nichols has the Gators on his top 5 along Georgia, Ohio St, USC and Tennessee.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  6. Wanne15

    Wanne15 GC Hall of Fame

    3,590
    784
    288
    Jan 18, 2015
    And the fact that the people who live in Florida aren’t really Floridians. There are some but so many people have moved here that have allegiances out of state.
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
  7. r0r080

    r0r080 All American

    325
    102
    148
    Jul 31, 2019
    This is such BS theory, the reality is that not since the 1930's has the majority of the population been deemed native when it was 51%. Since the 1930's that number as hovered between 43%-36%. The Reality is that Florida population has always been a predominantly made up of residents that were born somewhere else other then Florida.
    The only real disadvantage that has worked against the University of Florida with regards to recruiting in-state talent (and that's not necessarily the case presently), is the presence of other viable in-state football programs. To illustrate just how bad the instate football programs have gotten keeping in-state talent in-state, last recruiting cycle Florida, FSU and Miami combined were out recruited in the state of Florida by out of state programs, keeping only 9 of the states top 30 football players in-state.
    Until the current staff is able to draw the proverbial red-line around Florida and keep its best talent in-state, recruiting on the whole and its failure to recruit at a elite level has to be 1st looked at its failure to keep the state of Florida's best talent........and that starts with those in charge of marketing the University of Florida football program and then ultimately making the final sale! Stop making excuses for this staff, they just don't want it bad enough to make it happen, so you end up with what you've had the last 3 years........settling for less than the best!
    Its possible Mullen can make his approach to recruiting work long-term, but it only works if he can win championships with what he's got. Championships are the gold nugget that will draw top talent, when the staff's approach to recruiting lacks passion.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  8. Wanne15

    Wanne15 GC Hall of Fame

    3,590
    784
    288
    Jan 18, 2015
    If you live in Florida, look around you and see all the other fans.kids grow up here with many allegiances. If you’ve been to Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama, Tennesse.... you don’t see that in those areas.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Like Like x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  9. r0r080

    r0r080 All American

    325
    102
    148
    Jul 31, 2019
    Was born and raised in Florida, and being a native was always the exception rather then the rule as I grew up with other kids...............this isn't a new concept.....(Florida being more known more for its transplants then natives)..............again trying to push this as a reason in as far as the recent failures in recruiting is just hogwash, plain and simple!
    Put a group of individuals in charge of recruiting that understand marketing and making the sale, mixed in with a little bit of passion.....Florida's fortunes will change in just 1 recruiting cycle (In as far as keeping the in-state talent in-state)!
     
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
  10. kryptonite

    kryptonite GC Hall of Fame

    2,164
    556
    418
    Dec 12, 2008
    There is a transfer portal now, so its not just about marketing. It's about service too. The ability to retain and develop is going to be a bigger and bigger part of the game, and slick salesmanship only works until they get on campus. If you lose a third of your class after a year or two, that was a horrible class regardless of what the ranking on signing day was. Saban and Dabo have been quite good at that. Kirby not so much. Brewster was a great hire for us, because he has both the salesmanship and personality to make players want commit and to continue to learn from him until they go to the NFL.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  11. bposs

    bposs GC Hall of Fame

    1,567
    221
    193
    Sep 3, 2010
    Woodstock, GA
    The support that UGA gets in the whole state of GA is absurd. They have no other state school to compete with for top fb talent.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Like Like x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  12. filamg8torfan

    filamg8torfan GC Hall of Fame

    1,212
    364
    273
    Mar 17, 2019
    This^ I went to Atlanta on a business trip. I put my gator shirt on when I have dinner at night. You would think I will catch more grief with GT fans. Nope. It's those dang dawg fans who stared me down and made snide comments against the gators.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  13. cubangator

    cubangator GC Legend

    999
    280
    268
    Jul 8, 2017
    Georgia 4* WR DeNylon Morrissette will be making his commitment known today (Friday) at 2 PM. its believe that the 6-1 200 receiver will be choosing between Georgia and UF.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  14. bobbybaker86

    bobbybaker86 GC Hall of Fame

    7,445
    4,551
    603
    Sep 4, 2017
    Kamari Wilson

     
    • Like Like x 1
  15. bobbybaker86

    bobbybaker86 GC Hall of Fame

    7,445
    4,551
    603
    Sep 4, 2017
    georgia
     
  16. kryptonite

    kryptonite GC Hall of Fame

    2,164
    556
    418
    Dec 12, 2008
    Worth keeping an eye on. He needs to get bigger, but he plays big. He seems to actually want contact unlike a 5 star like Singletary whose highlights look like he never saw a tackle he was comfortable making.
     
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2021
    • Informative Informative x 2
  17. bobbybaker86

    bobbybaker86 GC Hall of Fame

    7,445
    4,551
    603
    Sep 4, 2017
    [​IMG]

     
    • Like Like x 4
  18. ddrew91

    ddrew91 Recruit

    9
    1
    78
    Dec 14, 2020
    Think we stand a chance?
     
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
  19. bobbybaker86

    bobbybaker86 GC Hall of Fame

    7,445
    4,551
    603
    Sep 4, 2017
    Not going to lie, idk but this could be our once a year C Rob special

    Black
    Wingo
    Scooby
    Shemar????
     
    • Like Like x 2
  20. spike718

    spike718 GC Hall of Fame

    1,586
    365
    343
    Apr 11, 2007
    Did he say when he will decide?