Trump to deploy National Guard in response to Los Angeles immigration protests

Thank you for your response. This is why I haven't given up on this site.

 

There was certainly damage to more than the court house as my company at the time was paid to repair a number of storefronts, but to say they were occupying seven blocks is an embellishment. They were primarily occupying areas of two parks and right near the courthouse but ranged out causing damage from there.

 

I don't think that you will find a politician who is openly supporting the violence. Even behind closed doors, if for no reason but the cynical tactical reasons, the only politicians likely backing this group are likely those that are attempting to use the violence to gain more control over the city. There is a reason that all the federal staging is being done in public and in the most inflammatory manner possible and why ICE fired tear gas on protesters before there was any violence. They are attempting to spark the violence, utilizing it where it exists and making it up where it doesn't (e.g., the at least 5 fake/misappropriated videos posted so far on this thread).

I suspect that the local politicians are trying to turn down the temperature to avoid more conflict rather than support violence (which is why the locals are clearing out the section in downtown that became violent while not preventing other protests through the city which haven't).

 

You misunderstood Channing’s point if you think he is in any way justifying the rioting.

 

Yet you ignore the bulk of who is being rounded up. Homan spelled out for the media who was arrested during the raid that led up to these violent, illegal riots. Do you even know the details of the raid?

Due process? Cuts both ways? OK.
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

So as soon as these illegals serve their jail time and pay their fines, we can then let almost all of them know that they do not qualify for amnesty. Would that make you feel better?

Also, a handful of liberal, activist, federal judges do not = the SCOTUS.

 

BTW if anybody really thinks this is about immigration: last report that I saw has a grand total of 44 arrests on immigration. That seems like a pretty light week in a place like LA near the border with the population that they have. This is about sparking violence. I hope it fails to generate any additional violence beyond what has already occurred.

 

These things tend to happen when the cops show up and start gassing people. Perhaps cops need to learn deescalating tactics instead of causing violence and property damage when people naturally defend themselves against state forces seeking to escalate and confront. Until the state learns to restrain itself and stops believing deescalation/negotiation is weak, what's going to change about these things? The violence done in the name of nebulous ideas of "safety" is pretty insane. That's why we have schools calling cops on their own students just camping out on lawns. We are well on our way to a police state in the name of safety.

 

And how many months was it allowed (many would argue encouraged) to go on?

 

Oh good. As long as the "bulk" of who is being rounded up are are bad who gives a shit about our constitution.

 

How do you stop people from gathering in public?

 

Channing is one of the members here i generally side with. "If people want to burn cars so be it" isn't necessarily justifying it but its certainly not an admonishment.

 

What options are left? People are being deported to foreign prison camps in violation of our constitution. Govt is shooting less lethal munitions at them. Not sure what the expectations are for resistance.

 

I don't condone it but I certainly understand the reasons. I'm more worried about a burning constitution than a burning car.

 

I think its only fair that people should be allowed to act as lawless as their government TBH. If the government is breaking laws left and right to deport people and shredding the constitution, there is very little to complain about if people take it out on a shopping cart or police car IMO.

 

I don’t understand the point of your question. Is it your contention that rioting and property damage was occurring non-stop for months? That certainly didn’t happen. Honestly it didn’t really register with me as it didn’t affect my daily life out here. It seemed to upset more people from afar than locals.

 

Cops suck at deescalation. No argument there. But politicians, lawyers and judges want order in their courts, council chambers etc then expect cops to be able to handle a faceless mob who may be mostly peaceful but also may have some nefarious actors provoking a volatile situation. Im just saying, its never the politicians, legislature in the front lines dealing with these situations.

 

Trump can pick up the phone and cause a world of pain and the everyday person has no power to stop it in real time. It’s a one-sided power dynamic that, as you say, is not surprising in its resulting reaction.

 

The fact that politicians, lawyers and judges can order unpopular, often illegal, unprincipled things in their chambers and hand it off to forces of state violence to enforce seems to indicate that we are desperately in need of democratic governance instead of whatever this system we have is. When voting and petitioning your elected officials doesnt change anything or they refuse to engage, you are going to see scenes like we see in other countries. We are usually on the side of the protesters there and can see they are standing up to authoritarian governments. No American gets upset about burning cop cars in Iran or China.