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Trump no longer satisfied with dog whistles

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ursidman, Jul 14, 2019.

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  1. Gator715

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    I’m hoping he was trying to basically say, “Love it, or leave it...”

    But that’s not what he said... and he does himself no favors by refusing to apologize or clarify what he meant... which leaves us with the necessary assumption that he stands by the tweet... this is really troubling...
     
  2. nobbqsauce

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    I would bet that every high ranking national level.politician is racist to some extent. Not out right, not blatantly, but yeah I bet most are. Most are extremely priviledge, most never had to truly work, most will"side" with what who they are comfortable with. As the racist is now being used to mean someone e who disagrees with or doesn't like a person that has different skin color...then yeah...I bet they are all racistist.

    Example, when some disnt want to vote for Obama, there where articles saying it was due to race, when for many it was policy. Same with the "Squad". I dont dislike them due to skin color or gender..I dislike their policies and what they stand for...and most in the squad have tweeted some very stupid and some very wrong things.

    As foe trump...it has long been established he is vile. I personally do not know anyone that will dispute that. Most voted for the econo.y and against Hillary. Most would prefer another Republican candidate to come to the forefront.

    But as soon as one does, I guarantee you...they will somehow be racist as well.
     
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  3. Gator715

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    Two things can be true at once... this comment is spot on, and Trump’s comments pertaining to this thread were xenophobic at best, racist at worst...
     
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  4. GatorRade

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    Still won’t back down.

    And he spent 85k on those ads! Holy crap!

    Trump still refuses to admit he was wrong about the Central Park 5
     
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  5. Distant Gator

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    Yep, saw an op-ed today accusing McConnell of being a racist cause he opposed Obama from the time Obama was elected. (Which is not exactly true, the offending quote was 2010, but whatever.)
    It's so very tiresome to label people a racist because they disagree with a black politician's policies.

    I think Trump is closer to a xenophobe and mob leader than a racist. But whatever- all are pretty bad and I wish he wouldn't run in 2020.
     
  6. mdgator05

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    So you spent quite a lot of time telling me that Trump wasnt a racist earlier this week. Why doesnt this quote change your mind? How can one just be a xenophobe against 3 people born here, with no amount of racism mixed in? Xenophobes hate or fear those not from here. Trump hated people from here and said they can go back to the country they came from, which is the US, but he seems to think that minorities arent really full Americans. Isnt that racist?
     
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  7. obgator

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    Trump loves people from Norway and other predominantly white countries. So he’s no xenophobe, he’s just racist.
     
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  8. mdgator05

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    He actually was. The DOJ sued him for racism. Some of the folks at his casino accused him of making racist statements about having black people count his money (he was opposed to it). Trump was asked about it by Playboy in the late 1990s and he said that the accusation was probably true.
     
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  9. BigCypressGator1981

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    Racist - yes, misogynist- yes, rapist - maybe, homophobic - I don’t think so, xenophobic - yes, low IQ - maybe, Russian spy - doubtful, puppet of Putin - maybe.
     
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  10. nolancarey

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    As I ascribe to the notion that racism is a larger systemic series of issues related to a dominant portion of society benefiting over one or more marginalized groups (often related to visible differences), I would say they are at least in some manner racist. (I view racism as the larger model to which bigotry and prejudice are often related, though not inextricable.) I don't believe the two are bigots, but I think racism is not out out the question.
     
  11. Bazza

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    Hey Nana....thanks for your reply.

    OK, this article you linked is from 2019.

    Can you show me an article posted before he got into politics.

    Thanks, Nana.
     
  12. Bazza

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    Thanks, River.

    Although the article you linked is from 2019, I was able to click on some of the links within' the article itself which led to an older (2018) article which contain a "laundry list" of allegations and conclusions - some of which I find very weak.

    Such as this one:

    He is very slow to decry hate crimes committed by whites against dark-skinned people (such as the killing of an Indian man in Kansas last year).
    I think that one deserves a "C'mon man" rating. :D

    Here's another.....

    In 1989, on NBC, Trump said: “I think sometimes a black may think they don’t have an advantage or this and that. I’ve said on one occasion, even about myself, if I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I really believe they do have an actual advantage.”
    Seriously - this makes the man a RACIST? :rolleyes:

    If anything, he should be held accountable for speaking his mind in public a little too often.

    I won't even get into the fact that since our economy is now booming, people of colour (along with EVERYONE ELSE) are doing better financially than ever before.

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    The other linked article within' your 2019 article - from 1973 - contained this:

    They first met him, on the front page no less, on Oct. 16, 1973. Then 27 years old, Mr. Trump was the president of the Trump Management Corporation, at 600 Avenue Z in Brooklyn, which owned more than 14,000 apartments in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island.


    Major Landlord Accused of Antiblack Bias in City,” the headline stated. The Department of Justice had brought suit in federal court in Brooklyn against Mr. Trump and his father, Fred C. Trump, charging them with violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968 in the operation of 39 buildings.


    “The government contended that Trump Management had refused to rent or negotiate rentals ‘because of race and color,’ ” The Times reported. “It also charged that the company had required different rental terms and conditions because of race and that it had misrepresented to blacks that apartments were not available.”


    Donald Trump’s first quoted words in The New York Times expressed his view of the charges:


    “They are absolutely ridiculous.”


    “We never have discriminated,” he added, “and we never would.”


    Two months later, Trump Management, represented by Roy M. Cohn, turned around and sued the United States government for $100 million (roughly $500 million in today’s terms), asserting that the charges were “irresponsible and baseless.”


    “Mr. Trump accused the Justice Department of singling out his corporation because it was a large one, and because the government was trying to force it to rent to welfare recipients,” The Times reported.


    Under an agreement reached in June 1975, Trump Management was required to furnish the New York Urban League with a list of all apartment vacancies, every week, for two years. It was also to allow the league to present qualified applicants for every fifth vacancy in Trump buildings where fewer than 10 percent of the tenants were black.


    Trump Management noted that the agreement did not constitute an admission of guilt.


    Mr. Trump himself said he was satisfied that the agreement did not “compel the Trump organization to accept persons on welfare as tenants unless as qualified as any other tenant.”
    Doesn't sound racist to me - more like business decision making. But I can easily see how someone could twist something like this into racism, especially after he entered politics
     
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  13. g8orbill

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    my formidable years were in the 60’s and 70’s I looked at things a lot differently in the 1960’s and 1970’s as to race and women- it was a different time - different mores different thought processes- it would not even occur to me today to treat someone differently because of their skin color- hell I owned my own restaurants for 12 years and waited on plenty of people I did not agree with politically-

    so my view of blacks in the 1970’s would in today’s world qualify as racist- does that mean I should forever be branded a racist- that is what you libs seem to be saying about Trump- I am not saying I believe your 1970’s era articles are accurate- what I am saying is his volume of work since that time certainly says he not a racist
     
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  14. Bazza

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    I totally get where you are coming from - although I totally disagree.

    Don't want to debate it here - just saying I agree to disagree that this was racism.
     
  15. Bazza

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    No green font --- so can I assume you were serious about this?

    Not trying to attack you Gator Jax, but even if I thought someone was a racist - I would never accuse that person a) unless I knew for sure b) on a public forum c) never in front of others.

    Politics is a nasty dirty slimy business - but it doesn't mean it can't be discussed with civility and respect for one another.

    One more thing (sorry - not trying to lecture you) remember the political parties are making a living off division. Do you really want that?
     
  16. g8trjax

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    Sorry it was sarcasm. I love your passion.
     
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  17. nolancarey

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    What do you think it was? Politically motivated? A sincere belief? Not debating, just curious.
     
  18. Bazza

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    Purely political, IMHO.
     
  19. Bazza

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    Love your passion too, Gator Jax! Thanks - and don't forget the green font for sarcasm! :D
     
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  20. mdgator05

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    You think it is twisting something into racism when his "business decision" was to refuse to rent to people of a race? How is that not racism?
     
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