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Trump mentions Ilhan Omar at rally, crowd chants "send her back!"

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by channingcrowderhungry, Jul 17, 2019.

  1. mutz87

    mutz87 Complexified VIP Member

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    I agree, you are confused.

    A white American telling a British American, say one who was naturalized, to go back to Britain because he perceives him as non-American can certainly be called racist. The common use of the term racist isn't only about "race" per se, but about ethnicity, national origin etc...It encompasses it. But like I said, it doesn't pack the same bite.

    In earlier eras many white Americans were "racist" against Irish (and Italians and Germans etc...)because they weren't WASP. This has morphed into a more diffuse whiteness where even those who were "otherized" such as the Irish have become part of the white establishment. NTL, there are many remnants of this earlier racial hierarchy that sticks with us today.

    So again, if Trump turned his eye on Cubans or "Cuban Americans" and attacked them like he does other minorities such as Omar, would you continue to defend him?

    Or another way to ask, what will it take to get you to see what you seem determined not to?
     
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  2. Gator715

    Gator715 GC Hall of Fame

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    Who said Trump,or anybody who says that, sees Omar as "non-American?"

    Again, she's obviously American... she's in the US House of Representatives...

    Trump isn't going after Somalians... He's going after a very specific Somalian who equated al Qaeda to the US, US army, and England. He's going after a very specific Somalian who referred to 9/11 as "some people did something." Lastly, he's going after a very specific Somalian because she's part of the radical left...

    He's clearly not coming after her because she's Somalian... he's coming after her because of what I listed, above...

    If Trump turned his eye on any ethnic/racial American group of people I wouldn't be defending him. Fortunately, he's not doing that... he's going after one Somalian, specifically...

    Hell, Trump isn't going after Mexican-Americans... He's going after illegal immigrants...

    When Trump attacked Rubio and Cruz... he wasn't attacking Cuban-Americans... He was attacking Rubio and Cruz...
     
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  3. mutz87

    mutz87 Complexified VIP Member

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    Yet here you are continuing to try to defend him.
     
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  4. Gator715

    Gator715 GC Hall of Fame

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    When Trump makes an unfair attack on Omar or any person of color, clearly because of the color of their skin or "foreign look."

    For example, like he attacked AOC, Tlaib, and Pressley based on how they look... Perhaps there was a racial element, perhaps not... But the comments were definitely xenophobic and I can see how you'd call those racist... He implied that they were "from" some other country when they're just as much "from" the US as Trump is... They were born here...

    When someone asks Omar, where she's from (before the US)... the correct answer is Somalia... She's from Somalia...
     
  5. Gator715

    Gator715 GC Hall of Fame

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    Again, he's going after one Somalian, and not even because she's Somalian... not Somalians...
     
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  6. fastsix

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    He's going after 4 Americans actually, not 1 Somalian.
     
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  7. mutz87

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    You are trying to justify it by isolating it as just Omar, as if this is only about her. But it's not; it's about what she represents--which is a foreign born person of color. Some "other." Not American. And by extension, this would mean other Somali-Americans are not Americans. And other Muslims. And others of color. Same goes with his Mexican rapists and shit-hole countries and Obama birtherism.
     
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  8. flgator2

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    If you hate America like they do, leave then. I would say that to any person living here.
     
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  9. mutz87

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    As one of them (I think), I am not at all suggesting Trump's comments were racist and xenophobic. I am saying it explicitly.

    Really? You are going to try to play victim here after your incessant defense of Trump?

    Criticize Omar and AOC etc....all you want. You can say all sorts of things about them that aren't racist (though they could be if the person meant them as such). But once someone invokes tropes of "going back" against minorities, you bet it will be called racist. There's a long, ugly historical context here. Maybe you need to read up on it some more?
     
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  10. LimeyGator

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    Waking up to more news like this breaks my heart. I can't believe what I'm seeing in a nation that has long inspired me. The normalisation of race-led hatred from the President of the USA. I'm genuinely shocked. How can't people see it's wrong?
     
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  11. Gatorrick22

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    No... what she espouses is sickening.
     
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  12. Orange_and_Bluke

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    As bad as his statements can be....its still a much better alternative to you know....the left.
     
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  13. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Some people are extremely sensitive to this topic. I think you can see that a few here will fight tooth and nail against anything perceived to be racist....even though racism is mostly a thing of the past. It's hard to move forward for some who have used it to play victim for so long, and don't need it any longer.
    I do think we are lucky to have a forum like this to exchange ideas on such a divisive issue though.
     
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  14. boligator

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    Typical Red Hat response...they HATE America..Just because they exercise their 1st amendment right to criticize policy makes them "un-American haters"...so to the Red Hats it's either you agree with me or get out...who are the REAL haters here?
     
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  15. ValdostaGatorFan

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    It's Alcaida.. duh. :D

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  16. BigCypressGator1981

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    Unreal.
     
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  17. nobbqsauce

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    Trump is in the wrong here. No doubt. The double standard is whybwasnt this much noise made about Omar's anti semitic quotes? Do they not count as racists? Were they not long used tropes? Or Obama's "get tot he back of the bus"? Again a long used well known racist trope.

    Simply put we hear and see what we want. Trump is bad so we hear and see "bad". But others doing very similar things we just shrug off.
     
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    Somewhere Steve Bannon is laughing and saying "I Win"
     
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  20. VAg8r1

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    She's not a Somalian, she's an American and by the way, I am not fan of hers and hope that she is "primaried" next year. If you do not think she's an American I suggest you read the words of President Reagan.
    "America represents something universal in the human spirit. I received a letter not long ago from a man who said, 'You can go to Japan to live, but you cannot become Japanese. You can go to France to live and not become a Frenchman. You can go to live in Germany or Turkey, and you won't become a German or a Turk.' But then he added, 'Anybody from any corner of the world can come to America to live and become an American.'"
     
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