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Trump Is Going to Cheat

Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Feb 19, 2020.

  1. LTG61

    LTG61 All American

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    Libs in full-blown excuse-making mode 9 months BEFORE the election, AND before the Dems have even figured out who their candidate is.

    Admit it. The Democratic party is the directional school on Trump's 2020 schedule.
     
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  2. mdgator05

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    So the fact that they are all ahead of him in polling suggests that Trump is the Will Muschamp to their Georgia Southern?
     
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  3. danmann65

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    I would go a step further and say most politicians are dishonest people. I think we should choose our reps by lottery. Let them serve one term and then retire them.
     
  4. duchen

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    If I were a Democrat, I would worry about a country where someone posts this about Trump and gets so many favorable emojis.
     
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  5. danmann65

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    I really wanted to know how gerrymandering would work in a presidential election. I also think the new census won't impact till the next election.
     
  6. chemgator

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    The polling was relatively meaningless in 2016, either because:

    1) People were not admitting that they were going to vote for Trump.

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    2) Pollsters were not polling representative populations of the voting public.

    Given the fact that few people nowadays answer the phone for unrecognized phone numbers, you wonder what percent of the attempted polling calls actually get answered. And if there is a characteristic of the type of person that would answer a call from an unrecognized phone number that correlates to someone of a particular political lean. That would explain the polls going one way, and the election going another way.
     
  7. PITBOSS

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    Polling showed more wanted hrc. Trump lost popular vote by millions. It wasn’t “meaningless.”
     
  8. mdgator05

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    The national polls were off by about 1% in 2016. It was an important 1%, as a 1% shift is what decided the election, but that is hardly a big miss. The polls largely missed due to the fact that late deciders (both in terms of deciding between Trump and Clinton and decisions of unsure to vote people deciding whether to vote or not) largely went for Trump. A good theory as to why would be the Comey announcement right at the end. Another theory as to why would be based in negative partisanship being stronger for the party outside of power. One could even say that the polling gap earlier in the month may have caused some Democratic-leaning voters to decide not to vote for Clinton if they didn't like her with the goal of avoiding Trump, as they may have thought the probability of Trump being elected as low.
     
  9. nolancarey

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    And they were right unless you're talking about polling in the three states that ended up mattering. Hillary beat trump by nearly 3 million but ended up losing by 80,000 votes in those three states.

    Don't mention the Constitution if you reply to this. I'm well aware of its contents, and evidently much more so than the current POTUS. Also, if you use some form of the phrase "the U.S. isn't a democracy" than you will be effectively hexed and all your children will be transgender socialists.
     
  10. sierragator

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    What incentive does he have not to cheat? There are ZERO checks on his power. Whether you like it or not, Trump is above the law.
     
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  11. gatorknights

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    Give a thief no checks on power, and what could possibly go wrong? I can see him arrogantly grinning from here, laughing with his fellow thieves as to how big he gets over.

    Not that I've ever seen that act before. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    A lot of 'murikans need to wake the foxtrot up. These monsters do real and brutal damage. Right Sargeant???
     
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  12. OaktownGator

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    I'll agree that the standards were already too low, and further state that they are a direct reflection of the ills of the American people. We've lost our character, integrity and soul. We don't care. But...

    There is no President in history that has bald faced lied so frequently and as matter of factly as Trump does. And then repeatedly doubled down and tripled down on his lies when he's been caught.

    There is no President in history who has been caught soliciting foreign governments to dig dirt on political rivals even once let alone several times. As well as colluding with an enemy state in the process... which is exactly what happened when the Trump campaign shared campaign strategy and polling data with the Russians.

    There is no President in history whose personal lawyer was imprisoned for campaign finance fraud conducted at the President's direction and for which the President remains(ed) an un-indicted co-conspirator.

    There is no President in history who has been caught extorting a foreign ally to dig dirt on political rivals.

    There is no President in history that has been caught in so many instances of Obstruction of Justice into campaign related crimes, nor had over a thousand former Federal prosecutors sign a letter saying that he'd have been nailed for it if he were any person besides the POTUS, where impeachment is the only remedy.

    There is no President in history who has repeatedly insulted, denigrated and removed or forced out career professionals throughout government who are critical to our national security (Military, Intelligence, Dept of State, DOJ).

    I could go on, but that is far more than enough.

    While the Senate clearly abdicated its responsibility, the American people are complicit in allowing this man to remain in office. We deserve what we're getting.

    And sicker still, a large group of us are cheering it on.
     
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  13. Bazza

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    And slim just left town.......:D
     
  14. nobbqsauce

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    And when Bernie wins the popular vote but a brokered convention gives the nomination to bloomberg will you tell and scream hiw unfair it is or cross your fingers hoping bloomberg can beat trump? I have my guess....
     
  15. chemgator

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    The polling also convinced Hillary to spend most of her last three weeks of the campaign in California, which she had locked up five minutes after she announced her candidacy. Basically, the election was in the bag, and she was taking a victory lap. She wanted the adulation more than she wanted margin of victory. Her top advisors had guaranteed her that the rural people in Pennsylvania did not matter--Philadelphia and Pittsburgh would decide the election. They were wrong. And of course, the liberal news media was too busy praising Hillary to criticize her for such views as "rural people don't matter".

    I still say that the polling failed. The 1% in the three swing states was the election. And the polling groups all assigned those states to Hillary with little or no chance that Trump would take them. If it was that close, the polls could have given Hillary a 60% chance to win, or called those states a toss-up, but they didn't. All you heard going into voting day was that Trump had no chance. The pollsters were full of their statistics and didn't learn their lesson from the 2000 election, which was a lot closer. But if you want to be called an "expert", I suppose the only thing you can't say is "I don't know". Sometimes that is the correct answer.
     
  16. nolancarey

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    Tom Perez is a complete tool, but we're not going to immediately give the nomination to a person who runs as a Democrat when convenient (Bloomberg) taking it away from another Democrat who runs as a Democrat when convenient (Sanders). If Sanders wins the popular vote with the way delegate apportionment works he's going to get the 1991+ delegate threshold running away and no brokered convention will be necessary. If you're talking about a plurality, it all depends what that plurality is. If we have 6 people in a relative tie for delegates, I'm not going to say that a person with 17% is clearly better than someone with 16%.
     
  17. chemgator

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    I would argue that Trump is doing a lot of the same things that previous presidents have done, but they did them behind closed doors and through "trustworthy" surrogates. Trump is so politically inept and full of himself that he does these things in full view, AND tweets about them non-stop.

    Evidence? We still don't know what was discussed in the 157 meetings between Obama and the head of the IRS. Is it possible that Obama had someone persuade a foreign country to dig up dirt on a political opponent, but managed to keep it quiet? Absolutely. Did Obama (or his delegates) persuade the FBI to wiretap a presidential candidate from the other political party (one that might undo his health care legislation)? Yes, he did. Did GWB (and his incompetent Sec'y of Defense, Rummy the Dummy) refuse to listen to generals about the War in Iraq, causing large numbers of them to quit? Yes, that did happen. During a war no less. Did Obama say things that undermined justice, accusing police of brutality before all the facts came out? You betcha.

    We know that Obama was a liar (look at the whoppers he told when he was trying to pass health care!). We know that Trump is a liar. So your choices are: Trump is a worse liar than Obama (debatable; Trump lies more, but Obama's lies tended to have larger consequences), Trump is more careless with what he says (no doubt), or Obama's lies were covered up by a liberal media who desperately wanted to see the nation's first black liberal president succeed. I would argue that Obama was an equally bad president (possibly worse, when you factor in his extremely incompetent foreign policy), but having the media covering for him made him look far better than he otherwise would.

    We need a president who brings integrity back into the White House specifically, and to Washington, D.C. in general. And who does so without bringing something equally devastating, like socialism. I don't see any candidate in either political party capable of doing that right now.
     
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  18. rivergator

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    Oops. It Turns Out IRS Commissioner Did Not Visit The White House 157 Times After All
     
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  19. mdgator05

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    Polls dont give you percentage likelihood of wins. 538 does and predicted a 28.6% likelihood that Trump would win. That seems to count as exactly what you proposed.
     
  20. VAg8r1

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    The only polls that were really off in 2016 were the state polls for Wisconsin. The national polls very accurately reflected the popular vote and the majority of state polls for PA and MI were within the statistical margin of error, meaning that the election in those states was too close to call, not inaccurate considering that Trump won PA and MI by margins of well under one percent.