Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by sovietgator, Oct 29, 2018.
537 voters in Florida in the 2000 election like this
Ultimately it was the Republican and Democratic parties that screwed America over by not providing a presidential worthy candidate to represent their parties. Everyone protests in their own way. Some did not vote. Some voted Johnson. Some held their noses and voted Rep/Dem.
Trump has been every bit the dungstorm I feared. But if Clinton had won there would still be major discord. Unfortunately it appears that neither the Republican nor the Democratic parties have learned a damn thing about this past election.
Have to agree with this.
While HRC would clearly have been more adult and Presidential, there would have been non-stop investigations into her by congress, and they probably still would not have voted on any USSC nominees.
And wouldn't surprise me a bit if she started some war to distract from domestic issues.
I have to disagree with the part where you say it sends a message that either is equally acceptable. To me neither one was acceptable and that's the reason I voted Johnson. This voting for the lesser of two evils is getting real old in this country
If you can't beat him... sue him. Or invent another way to try and bring down a sitting United States President... What goes around comes around.
I held out some hope trump wouldn't be as enmeshed in politics as a true politician. For instance I thought he'd be better than Ted Cruz. That maybe rather than looking at each issue from a Republican perspective, he might look at it from his perspective. Turns out the only perspective he has is "What's best for trump?" And as he's not that smart, lazy, and above all narcissistic he just takes the path of least resistance and plays to the fringe of the party who elected him. He's more interested in applause and personal gain than the country, so rather than get someone who breaks out of the mold of Left/Right politics, we end up with a guy who's taken it to a level never seen in my lifetime. He's not good for the country, but it's too late to change that now. Be ready because when the pendulum swings back, it's going to swing back further Left than it would have before trump. I don't think someone like Bernie Sanders had a chance in 2016, someone like him has a chance now, probably a very good chance.
Agree. Said it before, if Warren is the nominee in 2020 Trump could suffer the worst ass kicking of an American leader by an "Indian" since Sitting Bull took it to Custer at the Little Big Horn.
Please, anybody but Warren.
Trump is even worse than the POS I thought he was.
It would take a lot for me to vote third party again in the next election. Trump is a bigger disaster than I ever imagined.
His defenders get all upset if you don't like him or support him as our Prez. I'm a big boxing fan and have never liked Trump going all the way back to the mid 80's when was trying to get a piece of Mike Tyson's purses - along with that other crook Don King - when Trump had the Taj Mahal Casino. And that's back when Trump was a Democrat.
We all like to think voting third party really does or says something. I voted for Ross Perot. I now think voting for third party in a national election is a wasted vote.
A third party will never get off the ground unless people vote it and help it gain traction.
What happened that you don’t like about this President is why I will not vote third party. (Unless third party has a legit chance to win)
I voted against a candidate and for one particular reason only of the other.
There are three ways to vote.
For your candidate.
Against a candidate
Lesser of two evils
(The last two are similar)
Sooner or later, Trump is going to become massively unpopular. The hardcore trumpsters (about half of the republicans) are all in with Trump - they can never leave. So, even after Trump is far removed from office he will control half the party. This is going to force the creation of a third party.
I try to vote for a candidate rather than against candidates whenever possible.
If this guy is still around in 2020 (which I kinda doubt after Mueller's report hits and impeachment proceedings follow, but who knows), I will most definitely vote against him.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
If the two main parties cannot find better candidates after the last election, this country is on its way to ruin.
We can't just jump to a third party since it merely takes votes from Reps or Dems, throwing the election. We would need to jump to four parties or more to avoid that.
But voting Independent when you already know the candidate won't win accomplishes nothing apart from returning home and feeling good about one's "stand"-- and then suffering the same fate over and over again for 4 years.
I'm all for "fighting the good fight" but not in this case. I used to feel as you do. After all these years I see the folly of taking a stand that changes nothing.
Kind of like talking about a "good" loss in the case of the Gator Football team. A loss is a loss and the consequences don't change.
It appears the Dems have learned a thing or two if you look at the current crop of candidates.
The Pubs? Just doubling down, digging their heels in, and more of the same. The Pubs are playing to their base of about 30% and hoping that gerrymandering, voter suppression, and fear kick in--- again.
The Dems have learned from the party that has perfected that under Obama and Clinton.
So yes, What goes around comes around.