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Trump ally Bannon ordered to report to prison for defying Jan. 6 probe

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  1. gatordavisl

    gatordavisl VIP Member

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    Not a tree, but this source is a concise list of associates and their crimes.

    “I’m going to surround myself with the best and most serious people...we want top of the line professionals,” said Donald Trump, convicted felon.

    Open Forum: Laundry list of Trump associates' legal issues

    The crimes include obstruction, contempt, lying to the FBI, defamation, conspiracy, voter fraud, tax fraud, insurrection, election interference, and disorderly conduct (for "indecent touching").
     
  2. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    I wonder with Bannon and similar folks how much is ideology and how much is just the grift
     
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  3. GatorJMDZ

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    Excellent question. Per a SCOTUS decision, Grossman, presidential pardon power extends to findings of criminal contempt of court, but not civil contempt.

    As to contempt of Congress, there is not a clear answer. Apparently, FDR is the only president who did it, but it was not challenged in court.

    "Whether the Court’s ruling in Grossman extends to contempt of Congress is an open question. See Grossman, 267 U.S. at 118 (acknowledging view of former Attorney General that “the pardoning power did not include impeachments or contempts” but noting that “the author’s exception of contempts had reference only to contempts of a House of Congress” ). ">5 Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, in his famous 1833 treatise Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, asserted that contempt of Congress is excluded from the scope of the pardon power “by implication,” as presidential authority to pardon congressional contemnors would result in Congress being “wholly dependent upon his good will and pleasure for the exercise of their own powers.” 3 Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States 353 (1833). ">6 Nevertheless, in Grossman, the Court suggested that the remedy of impeachment would be sufficient to counter abuse of the pardon power. Grossman, 267 U.S. at 121. ">7 It appears that there is at least one historical example of a pardon of contempt of Congress, granted by President Franklin D. Roosevelt, which apparently went unchallenged in court. See Townsend Freed, Feels ‘Vindicated,' N.Y. Times (Apr. 19, 1938), https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1938/04/19/98123304.html?pageNumber=1. ">8"

    Scope of Pardon Power
     
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  4. AndyGator

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    Not sure if you consider anarchy as ideology, but personally I would put it as 1/2 grift and 1/2 anarchy. And even then, the anarchy may be nothing more than a tool to better grift.
     
  5. VAg8r1

    VAg8r1 GC Hall of Fame

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    A combination of the two. The ideology helps facilitate the grift.
     
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  6. GatorJMDZ

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    If he hadn't filed frivolous motions and appeals, he would have his sentence completed.
     
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  7. G8trGr8t

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    Sounds like Mr. Story spelled it out pretty good. Sad that the party that booted Nixon has become so destructive and willing to break the law to advance a far right agenda out of fear of being primaried
     
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  8. Emmitto

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    The “anarchy” is cover. It’s hardcore RW.
     
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  9. murphree_hall

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    All pardons essentially overrule a Judicial Branch decision.
     
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  10. murphree_hall

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    @G8trGr8t what is it that you disagree with? o_O
     
  11. Trickster

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  12. Trickster

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    Please, please let it come to pass!
     
  13. G8trGr8t

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    That an executive pardon overrides a Congressional charge. Perhaps I misread your comment. Potus cannot pardon bannon for this crime
     
  14. murphree_hall

    murphree_hall VIP Member

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    Yeah, that's not what I said. I was simply saying that any time a pardon is issued, it is overriding an action from the Judicial Branch. Congress doesn't sentence people, so there is nothing to actually pardon. A Congressional charge would still need to be adjudicated by the Judicial Branch... unless I am mistaken.

    My comment also addresses the statement I replied to which said that a pardon can't override another branch's decision. It will always override another branch.
     
  15. gator_lawyer

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    No. Trump pardoned Joe Arpaio of his criminal contempt conviction. It's allowed.
     
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  16. GatorJMDZ

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    Yes as to criminal contempt of court, not clear as to contempt of Congress.
     
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  17. gator_lawyer

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    The pardon power has no exception for contempt of Congress. It is an offense against the United States, and it's not impeachment.
     
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  18. rivergator

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    Steve Bannon won’t be spending his prison term in a ‘Club Fed’ as he had hoped, sources say


    https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/17/politics/steve-bannon-danbury-prison-contempt-of-congress/index.html
     
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  19. tampagtr

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    A truly contemptible human being
     
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  20. AndyGator

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    Put that scum with the rest of the scum