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Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by CRIMDEFgator, Jun 4, 2020.

  1. thegator92

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    Sorry to disagree again, but I have been in Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro in July and August. The weather is the same as south Florida year-round, if not hotter. On top of that, my wife is on a Zoom call every week with a Brazilian colleague and she is in t-shirts and shorts. Finally, given the woeful state of Brazilian infrastructure and nearly non-existent social services or government presence in the favelas, it's safe to say that their numbers are vastly under-reported.
     
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  2. AgingGator

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    I never meant to imply that Brazil was Antarctica, but it is their cooler season there. I will disagree with your reference to south Florida. The temperature in Sai Paulo at 8:30 this morning was 65. The temperature in Miami at 8:45 is 82.

    I agree that their numbers are vastly underreported. I believe that the numbers are vastly underreported, as I believe that the numbers in the US are vastly underreported. My sister and oldest daughter both went to get the antibody test and tested positive, yet never had any full symptoms. I have been around both of them quite a bit so there is at least a decent chance that I have had it. I really don’t know. My allergies, bad knees and ankles never let me feel great anyway.

    I think we will find that many, many more Americans had or have it than have been reported.
     
  3. philnotfil

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    Winter in Sao Paulo:
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  4. AndyGator

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    No I didn't. But I ate a snickers bar so I am feeling much better today :)
     
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  5. gatorpa

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    Sorry not to disparage CNA's in general but most of the ones working in a nursing home are literally the lowest skilled of any medical setting. Most nursing home patients don't need high levels of care, its more turn and water care.
     
  6. gator95

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    100%. There are very few that need constant care. Most are independent. Some people are just too obtuse to understand.
     
  7. gatorpa

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    Or just accept that GOV dropped the ball on something that could easily have been addressed early on.
    It would have been far easier to segregate Covid Nursing home people than shutdown the entire country.
     
  8. mdgator05

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    And the effect of it would have been what? In Louisiana, we didn't allow them to be sent back. And a higher percentage of our deaths came from nursing homes than in New York. Same in Massachusetts. So how does that address the overall problem?
     
  9. mdgator05

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    So your thought is we should have untrained people handling Covid positive patients? Do you really need me to point out all of the problems with that as a notion?
     
  10. RIP

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    There is a huge difference between a SNF & an assisted living facility. My wife is a COTA and can attest to the levels of care needed in a SNF. While CNA's aren't nurses they are far from unskilled and they do a lot of the jobs nurses and therapy assistants don't have time to do (i.e. ADL while in the care facility). That said they cannot assume nursing levels of care nor substitute for a nurse in any way, shape, or form.
     
  11. gator95

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    yeah, lets send them back to the worst possible location. Brilliant!
     
  12. mdgator05

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    Let's look at the data: In New York, 18% of deaths are in long term facilities. Let's compare that to other hotspots that didn't send patients back:

    Louisiana: 32%
    Massachusetts: 55%
    Illinois: 18%

    Now let's compare that to non-hotspots:

    Florida: 27%
    Georgia: 40%
    Texas: 36%

    So what was the effect? Of course, knowing you, you won't acknowledge data that you don't like, but that is the data...

    State Reporting of Cases and Deaths Due to COVID-19 in Long-Term Care Facilities
     
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  13. gatorpa

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    That's not what I said, nice try.

    CNA's who are minimally trained are already the ones taking care of nursing home patients and by default are taking care of COVID patients.
     
  14. gator95

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    NY's numbers are wrong. So when you have incorrect data then the rest of what you believe is deeply flawed.

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/nursing-home-coronavirus-deaths-dont-match-official-ny-state-tallies/
     
  15. mdgator05

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    Okay, so we have to go find trained CNAs. By minimally trained, do you mean that we can we do it in a day? New York requires 100 training hours and 30 clinical hours. Seems like over 3 weeks at least.
     
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  17. gator95

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    You had bad numbers, didn't read the rest. When something is so deeply flawed, I don't keep reading. Sorry
     
  18. mdgator05

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    Okay, utilize New Jersey. 40%. Right on national averages with this policy. What is the effect?
     
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    This is true everywhere though. Florida has also had issues with nursing home numbers, attributing deaths to other states based on residency, and in case of hospice situations they may not be getting counted at all (I.e when they send a person from nursing home to hospice to die from Covid complications - it may not be getting counted at all, not saying it’s intentional misinformation but it’s an issue with reporting).