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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by rivergator, Sep 17, 2021.

  1. carpeveritas

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    Immigration wasn't stopped. It is allowed and limited under specific circumstance. Not a difficult concept. We don't stop people from driving cars what we have are laws that must be complied with to drive a car. Drivers license, insurance, age requirement etc... If you don't follow the law you will be penalized for it.

    The connection is the population explosion you want. You also stated a nations strength is in numbers. China has every nation beat in that regard yet they are still held at bay. How is that exactly if not for technological wonders. That's the connection to China and you finally admitted you want free markets to decide. No laws no borders.

    At least you understood that.

    Free market is your idea. What does the free market do with excess labor it cannot support?

    Not at all you made it clear people have limited choices based on wealth, education, skills etc... and cannot afford to leave and go elsewhere.
     
  2. mdgator05

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    Again, you were being obtuse, turning what you are advocating for into just an immigration policy when all levels of control are immigration policies. What you are advocating for is a high regulation, massive government plan and you still can't even articulate what problem that solves. Basically, all you have presented here is you want a massive government bureaucracy for the sake of saying we have a massive government bureaucracy.

    Free markets have laws and borders. We had both in the 1800s prior to massive immigration controls. This is one of the dumber rhetorical points of command-and-control economic advocates.

    Wait, so you actually think open borders are characterized by mass deportations? Lol.

    Well, they don't kill the people. What a strange world you live in where they kill the unemployed. Oversupply of labor in a free market is met, in the end, with the movement of labor to areas with an undersupply. You know, like how people are trying to move to the US that needs labor.

    No, I made it clear that there is location stickiness for native residents, not that it is infinite. Is somebody going to move across the country to work at McDonald's when there is a decent chance that they will get a job from a local McDonald's next month? No. Will they move if there is an oversupply of labor leading to limited job market opportunities? Of course.
     
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  3. carpeveritas

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    How many times do I have to say I am for controlled immigration? As for the problems - it solves the issue of culture shock and integration in to American culture. Please use your head for more than holding your ears apart.

    Really free markets have laws and borders? Must be those nasty bureaucracies that created such a horrible thing.

    Now whose being obtuse.

    And you wrote movement of labor is not necessarily possible. So letting the unemployed starve is fine with you? Free markets would do that.

    Please explain why all the economically depressed and poverty stricken areas on the globe and within the US currently exist.
     
  4. mdgator05

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    Yes, you are for big government. We know. But please explain how having fewer immigrants solves the integration problem or "culture shock." For example, when the Italian immigrants came in with relatively limited control, did it take much longer to integrate into "American culture," which is undefinable, frankly, than it has for groups since the restrictions were passed?

    Answer this simple question: did we have laws and borders in the 19th century? Yes or no.

    Still you. If you are engaging in mass deportations, you don't have open borders. By definition.

    Man, you really aren't a fan of capitalism and free markets are you?

    Lol, take one of the most complex issues in the history of the world and explain it to me. Okay, I'll get right on that. It'll take a few hundred thousand pages.
     
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  5. metalcoater

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    Sometimes it is not really cheap.
     
  6. vaxcardinal

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    got to do it during low tide
     
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  7. metalcoater

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    Biden is wrong. Sometimes you need a wall.
     
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  8. AzCatFan

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    Real effective when the billion dollar boondoggle breaks down after the first big storm. By the way, these storms are an annual event. Have you ever even been to the border?

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  9. Swamplizard

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  10. Gatorrick22

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    So, Biden and company think we're nothing more than a refugee camp? Seems like it.
     
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  11. AzCatFan

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    Why not split up the families and put the kids in cages? Worked so well for the last guy.
     
  12. Bazza

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    I heard that we are whipping the Haitians from horseback now......herding them back across the river.

    What has our country come to?

    :(
     
  13. slightlyskeptic

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    ...and the guy before that.
     
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  14. slightlyskeptic

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    No. We are not. And the Democrats, including Biden and Harris, continuing to say so and blame border agents is a slap in the face to the people they have hung out to dry by sticking their pointed heads in the sand about these border issues. Dumbasses.

    Trust Index: Border Patrol agents on horseback did not use whips when confronting migrants

    Photographer Who Took Photos of Border Patrol's Horse Unit Takes a Sledgehammer to 'Whipping' Lie
     
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  15. BLING

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    You know there is video and audio too, right? It isn’t just an out of context photograph.

    Those agents most definitely charged at some people with their horses, including children, and one of them appeared to be swinging a whip like object. The question as to whether he actually “struck” them with it is sort of academic. The whole thing was stupid, and they were also saying some pretty shitty racist things at these people, not professional at all.

    I didn’t exactly like Biden’s phrasing, but I think those cowboys need new jobs based on the video ive seen.
     
  16. slightlyskeptic

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    Yes. It is an out of context photo. They didn't whip anyone. Same story with video.



    And where is the video you have that shows them whipping people and calling them racist names?
     
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  17. AzCatFan

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    Obama only split families if the welfare of the child was suspect. Less than 1% of kids were ever separated. Trump had family separation as a policy for all. Obama did build the cages, and used them for temporary housing for kids until a more permanent place became available. Usually 48 hours at most. Trump housed the kids in there for weeks.

    So tell me again how they are the same?
     
  18. slightlyskeptic

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    Nope. Wrong again. They stayed in those shelters for an average of a month and a half at least. And there were lots more of them.

    The number of immigrant children held in custody has surged under Trump's crackdown–but Obama held many more

    70,000 kids will show up alone at our border this year. What happens to them?

    And for the record, I don't fault either one for how they handled the problem.
     
  19. ridgetop

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    Moving goal post much?
    “. Border patrol is whipping immigrants with whips from horse back”
    No they aren’t
    “Well they are in horse back and called the migrants names”..

    I haven’t seen your video on the name calling so I’ll wait for that.
    Border patrol has used horses for a long long time. They cover terrain that a horse is the best suited “vehicle”.
    As for swinging something around… it’s the reins for the horse. Not a whip and there are no reports of the border patrol hitting anyone with the reins.
    They are “gasp” doing their jobs. But one photo taken out of context and used by by certain groups the whip up their base into a frenzy has result in our president saying someone “will pay” and that their actions are dangerous and and outrageous. Of course Chuck Shumer jumped in as did Maxine Waters with their outrage and pot stirring.
     
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  20. Swamplizard

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    Those are split reins not whips and nobody was strapped or struck with them unless you count the horses as far as what was said you have 10 or so mounted officers trying to control hundreds of illegal immigrants trying to unlawfully enter our country it's not like they fired a hellfire missile at an innocent family killing them all from a drone.......
     
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