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The World needs to hold China accountable

Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by defensewinschampionships, Apr 1, 2020.

  1. VAg8r1

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    The two individuals most to blame for the COVID-19 pandemic. Hold them both responsible!
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  2. CaptUSMCNole

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    I love how a thread about how the world can hold a communist, authoritarian ruled country accountable after they purposefully suppressed the opinions of medical professionals about this virus and then lied about it, which then allowed it to spread around the world has turned into another Trump is incompetent thread.

    Few believed China's numbers but since China was lying, it created too many unknown unknowns for the rest of the world to plan effectively. China was not truthful about how the virus spread, not truthful on the how infectious it was, and not truthful on the number of cases. Those three things alone made it very hard to plan for this virus. Anyone who suggested shutting the economy down for a month and a half in late January would have been looked at as a crazy person. What is going on in Italy right now is not the fault of anyone in the US right now.China's lying and cover ups are what has caused this crisis. There should be no debate about that.

    As for how we hold them accountable, there is talk about follow on legislation to the CARES Act that would offer 1 Trillion in tax breaks to US companies who bring back critical manufacturing to the US. I would not be surprised to see EU and GB do similar actions after this.
     
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  3. tampagtr

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    Good point. Let's not make it a trump incompetent thread. Let's more talk about his authoritarian tendencies, and how that factored into his incompetency.
     
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  4. 92gator

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    What??? It explains HIS view, nothing more.
     
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  5. wgbgator

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    Maybe the people who don't want to blame Trump's response for the catastrophe for the misery of the US are looking for a scapegoat. And hey, it just happens to be the country Trump sought a trade war with! Wow, what a coincidence!
     
  6. AndyGator

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    Holding China responsible for this is kind of like holding Trump responsible for the US economic collapse. Lots of "if"s and "could-have"s but not a lot of definitive facts.
     
  7. CaptUSMCNole

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    It is interesting that there are posters here that cannot admit that China is the main entity at fault for this crisis and do not want to talk about how they can be held accountable. If there is an administration with blood on its hands its is the Chinese government. It is absolutely amazing how some posters cannot even admit that.
     
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  8. AndyGator

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    I have not read all the posts so which posts are you referring to?

    How can the US hold China responsible for US conditions when China has a star witness claiming there was no problem in the US, it was under control and nothing to worry about? Their star witness even tweeted a picture of himself playing the fiddle.

    The easy argument for China is that the US did not act in good faith in protecting its citizens and therefore cannot be held responsible. And it's hard to argue that.
     
  9. CaptUSMCNole

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    Please explain to me how Italy ended up in the current state is in because of anything anyone in the US did.
     
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  10. G8trGr8t

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    Trump believed Xi. His belief in Xi was cited as one of the primary reasons he dismissed early reports from senators and members of his staff that he needed to take this seriously. T routinely dismisses intelligence info because Putin or Xi tells him something different
     
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  11. G8trGr8t

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    The argument is that China witheld facts that would have impacted Nero fiddling decision
     
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  12. wgbgator

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    I think my governor and the federal government bears more responsibility for how I'm experiencing this crisis than any foreign government. If we're going to hold anyone accountable, it should be them first and foremost (and indeed, those are the people we actually have some power to hold accountable). What I see is shifting blame because many elected officials didn't take the pandemic seriously, and now they want to say it was because the Chinese covered up the seriousness, or because impeachment was too distracting or whatever excuse they can think of to avoid taking any responsibility of their own.
     
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    China's intentional misinformation regarding this virus is clearly the primary factor in its initial spread.

    If we hold China accountable for it, should we not also hold Trump accountable for his intentional misinformation and the problems it clearly caused in our delayed response? Or how about the fact he removed the pandemic response team from the CDC?

    Accountability is the watchword here. And there should definitely be some.
     
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  14. CaptUSMCNole

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    As your post proves, it's Chinese administration lying and covering up the truth about this virus that is the cause of the crisis.
     
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  15. CaptUSMCNole

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    I think having a conversation about how the Trump Admin handled this is a good thing to have, just not on a thread talking about how China can be held responsible. There are plenty of other threads for that.
     
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    If you really think your governor bears more responsibility than any foreign government, it is not worth continuing having a discussion about this.
     
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  17. wgbgator

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    Lol, this is the new "bad intelligence" got us into the Iraq War.
     
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  18. wgbgator

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    Cool, you can go join the liberals who think Russia decided the 2016 election.
     
  19. G8trGr8t

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    no, it proves that T trusts Xi more than his own intelligence agencies. Dismantling of the CDC, refusal to follow advise from previous studies on lack of preparation, and refusal to take it serious are the cause of the severity of the crisis and that is 100% on POTUS
     
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    If that is the case, did the Italian government do all of the same things?

    The reality of this crisis is that China needed to come clean as early as possible about what they knew so other countries could have as much time as possible to get prepared and try to stop the spread of the virus. They did not.

    If you want to talk about Trump's failures, can you please go do it on another thread? There are a lot of them, so you should have plenty of material. I prefer to have a discussion about how the US and other western countries can use lessons learned from this Chinese caused crisis to blunt some of their strategic aims through economics rather than war. And that is regardless of who is POTUS come next February.
     
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