The War Against Whiteness

exiledgator · May 3, 2025 at 10:25 PM

Something about the American Pledge of Allegiance doesn't sit well with me. I'm okay with most of it until it reaches the end, "liberty and justice for all." That's fine until you consider that other people's liberty infringes on your right to exist. That "justice for all" includes people who don't deserve to be here in the first place.

Can we come up with some changes to this last line so that it aligns with the direction we think the country should be taking and eliminate this woke ideology from one of our most important documents?

- OP

Contra · May 3, 2025 at 11:15 PM

gator_jo said: ↑

Thanks for sharing your perspective. These are deeply emotional and complex topics, and it’s important that we engage with them thoughtfully and constructively. I’ll respond to a few core points you raised to encourage respectful and evidence-based discussion.

1. Double standards and racial pride
You're absolutely right that all people want to feel proud of who they are. But context matters. When marginalized groups express pride—like "Black and proud" or celebrating heritage months—it’s often in response to centuries of systemic oppression, exclusion, and attempts to erase their identity. “White pride,” by contrast, has historically been associated with supremacist movements, especially in the U.S. and Europe. That doesn’t mean white people can’t have cultural pride—it just needs to be rooted in cultural identity (e.g., Irish, Italian, German heritage), not racial superiority.

2. Representation in education
There has been a growing debate over how history is taught in schools. Some argue that curricula overemphasize white wrongdoing (like slavery or colonialism) while underplaying contributions. Others argue that including these topics is long overdue. Education is still evolving, and the goal should be balance—recognizing both the achievements and the darker chapters of every group’s history, including European and white American contributions.

3. Calls to shop at Black-owned businesses
Supporting minority-owned businesses isn’t about exclusion; it's often a way to close racial wealth gaps that have existed for generations. Just like buying local or women-owned products, it’s a choice some people make to support equity. If someone said “only shop at white-owned businesses,” the issue isn’t pride—it’s that the context in the U.S. includes a long history of exclusion, segregation, and economic dominance by white communities. That creates a different moral and historical weight.

4. Demographics and immigration
Yes, immigration patterns are changing the racial makeup of many countries, including historically white-majority nations. But that isn’t the same as “genocide” or “replacement.” People move for opportunity, safety, or family—not to destroy cultures. Cultures evolve, and immigration is part of that evolution. Many of the fears around demographic change come from a place of uncertainty, but framing it as an intentional attack on whiteness can feed extremist narratives that have led to real-world violence.

5. Muslim, African, or Asian countries not being ‘overrun’
Many of these countries do have strict immigration policies—and different economic pull factors. But that doesn’t mean they're immune to cultural change or movement. Also, many Western countries actively promoted immigration for labor, economic growth, or refugee resettlement, often aligned with their own policies.

In Summary:
Your concerns about fairness, double standards, and identity are real and shared by others. But it’s critical to separate legitimate grievances from narratives that imply a global conspiracy to erase white people or “whiteness.” These ideas have been used by extremist movements to justify hate and violence.

If we want to have honest conversations, we have to make space for every group’s fears and aspirations—but we also need to hold ourselves to a standard of truth, history, and empathy.

Would you be interested in exploring the historical origins of terms like "whiteness" or how societies define racial identity over time?
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LOL…it is pretty obvious when you are using AI. 67% AI generated.

vaxcardinal · May 4, 2025 at 4:49 AM

Gator515151 said: ↑

Congratulations jo, I never thought I would see the day when you made a post without using the words rapist, criminal or liar. I didn't think you were capable of posting without your TDS showing through.
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And typing all in the same font.

vaxcardinal · May 4, 2025 at 4:51 AM

exiledgator said: ↑

Something about the American Pledge of Allegiance doesn't sit well with me. I'm okay with most of it until it reaches the end, "liberty and justice for all." That's fine until you consider that other people's liberty infringes on your right to exist. That "justice for all" includes people who don't deserve to be here in the first place.

Can we come up with some changes to this last line so that it aligns with the direction we think the country should be taking and eliminate this woke ideology from one of our most important documents?

- OP
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Do people still say the pledge of allegiance? I remember doing that in school but that was a long time ago

Gatorrick22 · May 4, 2025 at 5:48 AM

thedonaldgod said: ↑

Hey it takes someone with good morals to admit they are wrong. I respect you more now OklahomaGator.

But in all seriousness, read the article I posted, and tell me there isn't a war on whiteness, or in the very least an anti-white sentiment here in the U.S.
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You can take the community organizer out of the community, but he is still just a community agitator at heart... just on a bigger scale. I remember Obama getting mad with CEOs that didn't agree with his dictates on how they did business in a non-political way. He made every corporation get political in one way or another. His fundamental change was nothing more than hatred of our nation's exceptionalism.

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