The Trump Administration tells Harvard it can no longer enroll foreign students

There are no fine folks in Georgia or North Carolina?

 

Probably the same way we felt when they did it before?

 

I couldn't list all the states where the fine folks are who voted for Trump.

Reminds me of that hit song from my youth. "You're So Fine."

 

Regardless of the president's reason, I would like our highest institutions of learning to be at least 09% American born students. And please don't tell us we don't have smart enough kids to get into Harvard and do well. We most certainly do...

 

Trump knows more about running a university than the folks at Harvard! Remember, he had his own university?
Remember?
#MAD MAKING AMERICA DUMBER
(MAGAots love their acronyms)

 

I have no problem if they did away with Notre Dame

 

UF has around 7% international students overall. It makes some sense for a public school to have certain limits on enrollment, as part of a state University’s goal is educating and serving the people of the state in which it resides. So maybe a state school such as UF can arbitrarily say 80% must come from Florida just because it has a mandate to serve the population of FL. But even a school like FL would get nowhere trying to impose those discriminatory limits on grad school and upper level research. Actually it would do worse than get it no where, it would be completely self destructive to the idea of UF as a research institution considering how many top researchers come from all over.

Private institutions have no such objective to educate kids from a particular state, or even a particular country for that matter. I was surprised Harvard had 27% international. That is higher than I would have guessed, Although as I noted above I’d bet UF’s upper levels of grad schools and research have these sort of #’s so maybe i shouldn’t be surprised. I assume this is Trump’s way of “going after” Harvard since this would be disruptive to roughly 1/4 of its students and current research.

 

Hard to imagine when he seems to support it.
It's literally what he is supporting now.

Government interference in private schools is the opposite of conservative.

 

#irony.

 

Trump is basically a liberal democrat aimed AT the dems.

...my how they despise the taste of their own medicine...

 

And my how the right loves it.

 

100%, Tilly. This debate that public funds equals influence over the recipient policies is a very chilling movement for our country. The permutations of influence and impact is breathtaking.

It’s going to come to roost. There is an inconsistent position that Conservatives should be worried.

Imagine if a Dem governor decides that private primary and secondary schools that receive voucher payments from taxpayer dollar is now subject to oversight on who can be admitted or what can be taught at that private school?

Be careful how far you push. It’s gonna be met with a shove.

 

Yeah.... "2 wrongs...", "Turn the other cheek"...

Cest la vie...

 

Yup. My son stuck with his research project because he loves it and the professor is amazing (and professor is key on getting into the PhD program he wants.) He had to self fund the summer portion in Boston but he thought it was worth it. His GF is doing research for a French company.

 

Steven Pinker wrote an op ed on Harvard for NYT, which I would highly recommend. Here’s four paragraphs:

In my 22 years as a Harvard professor, I have not been afraid to bite the hand that feeds me. My 2014 essay “The Trouble With Harvard” called for a transparent, meritocratic admissions policy to replace the current “eye-of-newt-wing-of-bat mysticism” which “conceals unknown mischief.” My 2023 “five-point plan to save Harvard from itself” urged the university to commit itself to free speech, institutional neutrality, nonviolence, viewpoint diversity and disempowering D.E.I. Last fall, on the anniversary of Oct. 7, 2023, I explained “how I wish Harvard taught students to talk about Israel,” calling on the university to teach our students to grapple with moral and historical complexity. Two years ago I co-founded the Council on Academic Freedom at Harvard, which has since regularly challenged university policies and pressed for changes.​

So I’m hardly an apologist for my employer when I say that the invective now being aimed at Harvard has become unhinged. According to its critics, Harvard is a “national disgrace,” a “woke madrasa,” a “Maoist indoctrination camp,” a “ship of fools,” a “bastion of rampant anti-Jewish hatred and harassment,” a “cesspool of extremist riots” and an “Islamist outpost” in which the “dominant view on campus” is “destroy the Jews, and you’ve destroyed the root of Western civilization.”
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And if you’re still skeptical that universities are worth supporting, consider these questions: Do you think that the number of children who die every year from cancer is just about right? Are you content with your current chance of developing Alzheimer’s disease? Do you feel our current understanding of which government policies are effective and which ones are wasteful is perfect? Are you happy with the way the climate is going, given our current energy technology?

In his manifesto for progress, “The Beginning of Infinity,” the physicist David Deutsch wrote, “Everything that is not forbidden by laws of nature is achievable, given the right knowledge.” To cripple the institutions that acquire and transmit knowledge is a tragic blunder and a crime against future generations.
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Opinion | Harvard Derangement Syndrome

 

As per what you posted, this is a well written essay. But I wonder, just how objective is this guy and if he has really done what he claims, it doesn’t appear his efforts have had much of an impact.

This guy’s opinion seems to be akin to that regarding the use of the n-word ….. only a certain group of people can speak it. Seems this guy believes only “Harvard folks” can take any action against the school. Oh well.

BTW, I believe the final sentence in the quote is a laughable overstatement of the impact of this recent decision. Gives cause to question this guy’s grasp of the real world outside of Harvard.

 

This is really a "both sides" situation. I have heard people on the left (on this board) say that Christian colleges should receive no public money, student aid etc if they teach against transgender issues.

So both sides want this type of power.

Thats what drives me nuts.

Conservatives know dems will come after their rights based on some lame "federal funds" criteria, yet in a case like this we applaud it?

No. It is all wrong. Financial aid id for the taxpayer. If they use it for a private school, so be it. They earned it...or their parents did, just like those attending public universities.

Keep the government out of telling any school who can and cant attend unless that person is involved in some other issue such as wrongdoing legally.

 

Will be an interesting day ‘round here when the next Dem prez aims this bullshit at places like Liberty U and all the righties scream “you can’t do that”

idiots rooting for uniforms and not principles will be the ruination of this country.