Well yeah. I don’t think anyone suggests permitless carry is going to lead to more of those types of school shootings where an 18 year old buys an AR and body armor and blasts his way through a school. Those are almost always planned out. There is legislation that could stop at least some of them if not many of them, but that would require sensible gun laws like longer waiting periods, much tougher background checks, perhaps even the assault rifle ban to at least take that weapon off the table for those degenerates who fetishize mass shootings like it’s a game or high score to achieve. But this isn’t “sensible gun laws”, this is taking the opposite mentality. Permitless carry correlates more with spontaneous shootings/killings. You described it in your second paragraph. More untrained idiots carrying without limit will lead to more road rage and reactionary shootings. There will be incidents where multiple people are shot, I think these are called “spree shootings” in some data sets, but get lumped as mass shooters in others (if “mass shooter” is defined just as >x victims shot).
I've concealed carried once since Kemp signed ours into law. Mainly because I had just bought my first IWB holster and wanted to try it out. I'm not a giant puss that needs to be strapped to go pick up a loaf of bread.
I am not in favor of the change, but that article looks like a case you can make stats say what you want. I am not even sure of their numbers. Note where they cherry picked instances with 2 of the criteria of a mass shooting, but what definition are they using? Were all non-handguns excluded? Hard for me to reconcile them using "mass shooting" when there have been 12 total in the last 40 years. Mass shootings in the U.S. by state 1982-2022 | Statista Permitless carry is not the same as concealed carry. Permitless carry is open carry. I personally don't think there will be much of an effect other than maybe an uptick in self-inflicted gunshot wounds. The people who would go for CCL in the first place are not the ones to be concerned with. Honestly, the process for a CCL (gun safety course, fingerprints, and background check) should be on the front end of gun ownership in the first place, but that's just my opinion.
Make the permits free, I just think there should be some screening. Always thought open carry for city folks was for nutters.
I am serious, if someone came to me with a job offer in the Deep South for double the money I make today, I would likely turn it down. Every day they go farther and rather off the deep end to a point of irrationality. And the worst part is that it will become a feedback loop if it hasn’t already. This will hurt them economically, crime will continue to go up, it will cut them off further from the rest of the country, so they will have less and less and less incentive to do anything other than further go down the rabbit hole to placate the religious and the absolutists because they can’t fix the real stuff anymore.
Florida is rocking! Shoot we were just at our place in Palm Coast which is the hidden Promised Land (my opinion) from over development and it felt busy. Not going to lie. We prefer it stay less busy. Ragga Surf Cafe… Old Florida! Nothing Better!
I always laugh to myself every game when they check women’s clear bags. Anyone could carry a gun in on their body.
For folks like yourself who make good money, sure. But Florida is now the least affordable state in the Country. In Miami for example, rent takes up 60 percent of median income. So what does DeSantis do? Passes woke laws, fights Disney etc. which is exactly my point.
Agree with you here. I've lived in Florida for 15 years (in the Orlando area) and have a friend who just moved from Pennsylvania and bought a place in Palm Coast. When I moved here I had to be in the Orlando area due to work (I had an HR Sr. Manager position at Universal and yes I'm one of those people who loves theme parks, lol) and of course it wasn't a job that could be remote. Now I have a job (not Universal) where I work remote and only have to come in for meetings once or twice a month. If I was moving down here now I would've probably bought something in that area and just commuted for the meetings twice a month. Orlando has just gotten too expensive and too big for what it is. Honestly I feel that way about all the big Florida cities. I own a place here now though so that keeps me somewhat anchored here. Even if I had sold at the top of the market I would've then had to have bought at the top of the market. But I love the Palm Coast / Flagler Beach area. I know a lot of people sh*t on the Atlantic side and prefer either the Gulf side or the Atlantic side starting at Fort Pierce/Port St. Lucie. But I love the stretch of the Atlantic from Ormond Beach up to St. Augustine. Parts of A1A you are right on the ocean with wonderful ocean views and you don't have the towering condos blocking your view. Palm Coast is big enough to have most conveniences you need and worse case you are still within a 1 - 1 1/2 hour drive from Daytona Beach, Jacksonville or Orlando. It's big but too not big (though it's potentially starting to get that way) and while a lot of it is newer you still have that old Florida feel. My parents are pretty close to me and do the snowbird/occasional visits thing but when they are gone I could easily see myself selling my current place and trying to buy something up there. I don't know if you know the Beach Front Motel in Flagler Beach but it's a great old Florida motel. I usually do a 1 or 2 night weekend trip up there around 4 times a year. Great state parks up in that area as well.
Florida is a pretty big state. Comparing Miami = Florida is like comparing NYC to Upstate NY: totally different worlds. I get the you're not a Pub, nor a DeSantis fan but the analogy is flawed. FTR, I am a Republican, I own a gun (Father gave me a pistol). I have it unloaded in the trunk of my car and any ammo is kept separately in the house. Only after taking ongoing training would I even think of taking a loaded pistol out in public, mostly because I realize my limitations. There is a price to pay for freedom; and, I agree with those who oppose open carry that the price may be costly as yahoos injure themselves and others.
I feel the same way in reverse. If someone came to me and offered to double my salary but I had to move to the northeast or west coast I would likely turn it down. I would miss the southern culture, warm weather and ability to be outside most of the year too much. Due to the nature of my job I get to see what a lot of people (employees for the company I work for obviously) pay in income taxes for certain states and it utterly makes me cry. And newsflash, those states that have high income taxes, they also typically have high rents, high home prices and generally high COL as well. There's only a few places I would leave Florida for, and none of them are in the Northeast or West Coast.
Florida least affordable state? I almost wish that were the case. It might slow the development here. I personally hate seeing the development happening! I am good with some but things like the Villages are not good if you ask me. It is crazy driving south on the Turnpike now. Things like WEC are eh to me. As that is just stupid money and it keeps land open for the most part. Sure my city benefits so it is not going to look good for me to say the Villages are bad and WEC is okay. But WEC really does not bring the numbers in. It just brings horses on a plane for a week or two a couple times a year. The Villages turns old Florida into concrete…
As I said, Florida as a whole is the worst state for affordability, it isn’t just Miami. Miami is just the worst example which was why I used it. I am sure there are places in the panhandle or northern Florida that are reasonable, but that is not where most of the population lives. https://www.wfla.com/wfla-plus/florida-is-least-affordable-place-to-live-in-us-reports-say/
as I posted above, it is now. Could flip if housing prices drop again though. https://www.wfla.com/wfla-plus/florida-is-least-affordable-place-to-live-in-us-reports-say/
This! We so love it over in the Palm Coast area. Vacationed there for years and finally bought a place. We go the St Augustine farmers market every Saturday we are there (was there today). Hit the Ragga Surf Cafe at Marineland on the way home. Back in Ocala for New Years now. Just take in the outdoors without the huge condos and crowds. Truly amazing place that I think will stay low key. My hope. If you are ever heading that way on a weekend PM me. Would love to catch up. The Ragga Surf Cafe is a must for anyone over there.
For comparison by the way. Where I live used to be considered really expensive. And it is, but not comparatively anymore. My county has a median income of 150k roughly, and a median home price of 600k give or take, so a 4:1 ratio. Florida has a median income of 57k and a median home price of 400k, or a 7:1 ratio roughly. And that’s before talking about how squeezed the rental market is there with all of the corporate ownership.
