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The Real Lord of the Flies

Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by SeabudGator, May 9, 2020.

  1. SeabudGator

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    I have always been troubled by people who always assume the worst about their fellow man. I believe deeply that individuals can be bad AND that societies can become evil (often thru bigotry or extreme religion). However, the arc of history is long and it bends toward justice. (read "The Better Angels of Our Nature" by Pinker for scholastic proof).

    For decades, the Lord of the Flies has been thrust onto society as a story illustrating the animal inherent to humans. I have always considered it to be overly dark and negative. While I believe such a result might happen, many people seem to think this is what would happen. Turns out that when a real lord of the flies situation happened, the young men did wonderfully.
    The real Lord of the Flies: what happened when six boys were shipwrecked for 15 months

    In these days of Covaid, nationalism, folks getting killed jogging, and political division, I thought folks might enjoy a story that illustrates the better angels of our nature.
     
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  2. citygator

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    Good read.
     
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  3. Trickster

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    I believe that without reservation. Particularly here in America, there is an abundance of goodness and good deeds. HOWEVER, a few leaders stoking our baser mature can cause great harm. I think that has happened under Trump, and if he's elected to a second term, the harm will last for generations.
     
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    That story might make a good modern movie, one with a good ending.
     
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  5. citygator

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    LOTF made an impact on me reading as a teen. It’s imagery stayed with me. I think it’s spot on about that middle school age. Maybe not in life and death terms but in terms of bullying, setting up elaborate rules only to argue about them, and learning to live with consequences of the end of childhood. It’s brilliant.
     
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  6. channingcrowderhungry

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    The other night we were talking about required reading books that actually made an impact and we enjoyed. LOTF was one.

    On the opposite end was Catcher in the Rye. I know it's a classic but I hated it. I've probably read it 5 times in my life to try and see what I was missing. Still hate it.
     
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  7. nolancarey

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    I never got anything out of it either. Serial killers seem to like it. I never liked other young adult fiction like The Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged either.

    Lord of the Flies, though, was good.
     
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  8. intimigator1

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    For 3 1/2 years people have been forced to listen to the negative aspect of society as if it is the standard behavior that we all support. Led by Trump, a minority class believes that their failure to see the positives of an empathetic and caring society justifies their need for self fulfillment and to truly believe they have the right to take away the biggest reason the USA exists and that is to have open arms. You are 100 percent correct that there are, by a massive percentage, so many good people that we cross everyday and at one time the bad people actually tried to be civil in public. That has changed and I think most of America is tired of the Trump story line. I expect that my final words will never hit home to his supporters but I say this from deep in my soul, you should be ashamed for the depth of your conviction to Trump. It is one thing to support change in a minimal degree, as that is what has kept stability in this country, the exceptions such as civil rights and women's rights were necessary simply to give what should always have been but to use cheap slogans (draining the swamp) and stoking completely negative causes simply cannot be allowed to continue. Trump has used the system to promote an idea of America that never existed to most of Americans so it will not take a grass roots uprising to end it. It will simply take people voting. The numbers have always been there and the obvious is clear no matter how desperate the negative people think they have numbers. They don't. Time for a positive and caring country to return and that needs to start in the White House.
     
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  9. channingcrowderhungry

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    Honestly that's why I've read it so many times. I was intrigued by serial killers and assassins and such liking it. I guess killers just like whiny, angsty teens.
     
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    A small group of pre-pubescent boys bonding and adventuring, sure, I can see it. Age them 10 years, and throw some girls into the mix. Same result? Doubtful.
     
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    I watched the Lord of the Flies movie before I read the book. That scene with the boulder stuck with me for a while.
     
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    Biggest reason US exists is to have open arms....uhhhh...no
     
  13. intimigator1

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    Your right. My bad. I meant open farms! You are for that aren't you? :)
     
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    Excellent story. Says much about the depth of the human spirit and our ability to adapt, get along, and even prosper.
     
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    The Giver was my favorite at age 12. Need to read it again as I sure it shaped some views for me that I can’t appreciate two decades later.
     
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    Thanks for this story!
     
  17. Trickster

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    The “come on man” shows that your insight and eloquence in expressing it are simply beyond the comprehension of some hollow souls. Trump and his hollow “come on man” followers are leading America away from our ideals and to ruin. BYW, my daughter sent this to me, and I was wondering where to post it. This is the perfect place.
    Opinion | McDonald’s Workers in Denmark Pity Us
     
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    Beelzebub
     
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    I read Tropic of Cancer when I was 13. I haven't been the same since.
     
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  20. gator_lawyer

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    Thank you for posting this. It was an enlightening story. There's a lot of goodness in humanity. I try to see the best in people until they prove me wrong. I wish more of our leaders focused on what unifies us and what we share instead of our differences, and I wish our leaders focused on bringing out the good in all of us, instead of appealing to us at our worst.
     
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