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'The only way he gets re-elected is to start a war with Iran' - 'he has no ability to negotiate'

Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by WarDamnGator, Jan 3, 2020.

  1. avogator

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    Trump will soon be begging Iran to reenter the Obama Iran treaty on Iranian terms. He will then say it is a much better deal than Obama signed. All analyst will disagree but Trump supporters will say Trump is the greatest. Just like Nafta
     
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  2. gator_lawyer

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    Another conservative poster who doesn't have his facts straight. That money belonged to Iran. They paid us for aircraft we never delivered. We had been litigating the matter through an international tribunal for years. We were going to lose (and would have likely had to pay even more money). It's amazing how uninformed y'all manage to be.

    I do. I actually inform myself. Try it.
     
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  3. VAg8r1

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    You may want to educate yourself by clicking on the link below:
    Was Obama’s $1.7 billion cash deal with Iran prohibited by U.S. law?
     
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  4. channingcrowderhungry

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  5. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator

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    ah the naivete of youth ...:cool:
     
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  6. intimigator1

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    Trump has allowed and defended and funded Saudi Arabia in its terrorist activities. Trump has allowed Russia to remain unchecked in Syria while they support terrorist groups there.
    By the way, who is fighting who in Syria these days? Seems everyone wants to be involved.
     
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  7. chemgator

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    WTH are you talking about? When did the Saudi government ever undertake any terrorist activities? Yes, their efforts in Yemen have been clumsy, but they are fighting a terrorist insurgency with funding and weapons from Iran.

    And what can anyone do about Russia fighting in Syria? Obama backed down and gave up on Syria (after he bluffed and was called out as a coward by Assad), giving Russia the chance to move in. Did you want to start a war with Russia? Or did you think that we could simply slap a few sanctions on Russia and they would leave Syria?
     
  8. gatorpa

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    Don't be so ignorant and partisan, how many cruise missiles did Obama fire off (like 1200) killing hundred of civilians.

    The MIC has paid off both sides for decades.
     
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  9. gatorpa

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    We can agree here, GWB2 never should have went into Iraq, even with the blessing of congress.
     
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  10. Gatorhead

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    We agree on this one pa. Personally getting bogged down in Middle Eastern affairs is a "lose-lose" for the US. While I support the Israeli Democracy I do not like their policy of West Bank expansion.

    So many pitfalls and obstacles - Arab / Jew thing. Oil thing. Puppet dictator thing. Corruption thing, - now the Iraqi's want us out because of the recent "knocking off" of the Iranian #2.

    While I do support US military aid and support in the Middle East, boots on the ground ……………. NO. Not worth it. My 2 cents.
     
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  11. rivergator

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    If you recall, those who wanted the war claimed that those of us opposed to it favored terrorists. Sound familiar?
     
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  12. VAg8r1

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    If this is a moderator's take, at what point can we start calling idiot posters ... idiots?
     
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    Adnan Khashouggi 's extra judiciary execution in Turkey done to suppress criticism of the regime ?
     
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  15. rivergator

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    you have to be very subtle, though
     
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  16. VAg8r1

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    You are aware that since the from '80s and up until fairly recently the Saudis have been sewing the seeds of radical Islam, a philosophy which countenances terrorism, around the world. Fifteen of the 19 9-11 terrorists were Saudis. The Kingdom has financed radical mosques and madrassas in Islamic countries as well as European countries like France and the UK with significant Muslim populations. The Kingdom has also provided terrorist "life insurance", paying stipends to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers.
    It’s Time for Saudi Arabia to Stop Exporting Extremism
    Evidence of Financial Links Between Saudi Royal Family and Al Qaeda
    Saudis and Extremism: ‘Both the Arsonists and the Firefighters’
    Saudi Committee for the Support of the Intifada al Quds

    As far as Obama and the Syrian "red line" are concerned I actually agree with you although let's keep in mind that when Obama requested that Congress pass an authorization to use force in Syria, the Democratically controlled Senate agreed reporting a resolution out of committee while the leaders of the Republican controlled House made it clear that they would never support such a resolution.
     
  17. chemgator

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    I understand all that. But it was not the Saudi government doing those things. Saudi Arabia is a monarchy, which means that the king has the final authority of the kingdom. It is an imperfect political system for the modern era, as the king hands out money like candy to his relatives, some of whom are sympathetic to groups like Al Qaeda, or may be prone to killing a non-compliant journalist. Under ordinary circumstances and in an ideal world, we would not ally with Saudi Arabia--they do not completely represent our ideals of freedom, justice, tolerance, and respect for human life. But they are probably our best ally in the Muslim world of the middle east (not counting Malaysia or Indonesia), and the rest of the world (including the U.S.) really needs long-term peace in the middle east. Stability of the global economy depends on it.

    So if you compare Saudi Arabia to Iran, one of these countries exports terror and murder on an almost daily basis, and the other does not. One routinely kidnaps foreign tourists who wander over the border into their country and holds them prisoner for years, and the other does not. One smuggles weapons into other countries to commit terrorism, wage war and create instability in their enemy countries, and the other (generally) does not. I agree that KSA should not have provided life insurance for Palestinian terrorists. But that activity pales in comparison to all the death and destruction that Iran has exported over the last 40 years.
     
  18. homer

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    This.

    Some senators were beating the war drums. The senate intelligence agency headed by Bob Graham said there were WMDs in Iraq. Some of our most left leaning long time reps were making speeches about how we had to get rid of Saddam. Many countries were on board and assisted.

    Then BAM. Crap happened and all of a sudden it was Bush’s fault.

    Fortunately, all of the reps who voted and spoke for it are on record.

    Very few of our representatives objected.
     
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  19. rivergator

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    23 senators and 133 congressmen voted against it.

    Congress Members Who Voted Against the 2002 Iraq War
     
  20. OaktownGator

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    Never.

    Idiocy is often in the eye of the beholder. Insults remain against board rules.

    Calling out people on "alternative facts" is more than fair game, though. And alternative facts are over abundant from Trump and his supporters. Seems like a constant stream of misinformation and Russian supplied propaganda. Literally.

    It's embarrassing.
     
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