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The New Puritans & Mob Justice

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GrandPrixGator, Sep 1, 2021.

  1. GrandPrixGator

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    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/10/new-puritans-mob-justice-canceled/619818/
    "But the real, and nonpartisan, lesson is this: No one—of any age, in any profession—is safe. In the age of Zoom, cellphone cameras, miniature recorders, and other forms of cheap surveillance technology, anyone’s comments can be taken out of context; anyone’s story can become a rallying cry for Twitter mobs on the left or the right. Anyone can then fall victim to a bureaucracy terrified by the sudden eruption of anger. And once one set of people loses the right to due process, so does everybody else. Not just professors but students; not just editors of elite publications but random members of the public. Gotcha moments can be choreographed."


    I thought this was really good article on a topic discussed here a lot under the terms "cancel culture", "wokeness", etc. I thought the article was well-balanced and describes the problem better than I've seen elsewhere.
     
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  2. 92gator

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    "...And today we are not just hip and modern; we live in a land governed by the rule of law; we have procedures designed to prevent the meting-out of unfair punishment. Scarlet letters are a thing of the past.

    Except, of course, they aren’t.
    Right here in America, right now, it is possible to meet people who have lost everything—jobs, money, friends, colleagues—after violating no laws, and sometimes no workplace rules either. Instead, they have broken (or are accused of having broken) social codes having to do with race, sex, personal behavior, or even acceptable humor, which may not have existed five years ago or maybe five months ago. Some have made egregious errors of judgment. Some have done nothing at all. It is not always easy to tell
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    I've had 3 consults last year (that i recall) with potential clients about being ostracized, dox'd, and/or alienated over seemingly benign shit they posted on line, that rubbed the wrong person(s) the wrong way (none this year so far). Haven't been able to do much for them (I quote a reasonable retainer, and they have balked at it). But the hurt and the wreckage appear quite real.
     
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  3. Gatorrick22

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    It's a weapon that always seems to favor the Liberals that control the technologies... And the laws that govern these technologies are in the hands of Liberals. So... we all know how this really works.
     
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  4. l_boy

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    Good article.
     
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  5. gator_lawyer

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    There are a lot of valid points. As a general rule, I have no issue with consequence culture. Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences. But I cannot stand people who intentionally take things out of context to use as "gotchas" to harm others.
     
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  6. WC53

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    Seems there was some parable/guidance about “stones” that would apply.
     
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  7. tampagtr

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    So glad the Atlantic dedicated so much space on this. Plainly it is one of the biggest problems we face and so little has been written about it.
     
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  8. wgbgator

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    I'm sorry but all of this has already happened (well before the word "cancel culture" was in anyone's mouths), so what is to be done?
     
  9. carpeveritas

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    This begs the question of who put these secretive bureaucracies in place and why they haven't been exposed for who they are?

    Yes it is easy to blame social media and others with an axe to grind but what needs to be addressed is why these secretive bureaucracies feel as though it is their mission in life to enforce some sense of a higher moral justice based on optics versus fact, logic and reason.
     
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  10. tampagtr

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    Good point about the secretive bureaucracies. Lord knows that before this latest round of cancel culture, you could never suffer damage to your employment status, social standing, or any other sanction based upon stated ideas without full due process and a hearing in the courts. This is all so new, especially the way it could be applied against people who were previously immune
     
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  11. wgbgator

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    LOL did she write this before the wave of anti-BDS laws or the CRT furor? Sorry, but when you get basic facts wrong, you discount whatever point you were making.

    In FL, government contractors are required to promise they arent boycotting Israel! But we dont have any state coercion or government censor?
     
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  12. tampagtr

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    Yea, Applebaum needs to stick to foreign policy
     
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  13. wgbgator

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    Isnt this a consequence of privatization?
     
  14. GrandPrixGator

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    We debate topics on here anonymously, but the debating of competing ideas or challenging the status quo seems to not really exist in the public square, probably due to the general idea of the article. That's not good. And the idea of not feeling comfortable when presented with something you don't want to hear? There is certainly a line, but this is probably where the term "snowflake" arose.
     
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  15. carpeveritas

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    Before I answer your question perhaps you could expand on the term privatization?
     
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  16. wgbgator

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    The general tendency to make things not publicly managed, regulated, controlled or owned that once were, turning over oversight duties to private entities that only answer to themselves.
     
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  17. carpeveritas

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    Privatization occurs in all realms of life be it in the civilian or civil service sectors. From my point of view this is not a matter of privatization as much as it is a matter of those that wield power over the populace no matter how small / large the congregation. You see it in schools, you see it in unions, you see it government, you see it in entertainment and you see it in corporations.

    Decisions are made in board rooms and offices across the nation. These are the people that are making decisions that the article refers to that take up the mantle of some higher sense of morality that justifies destroying someone's life.
     
  18. homer

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    Social media is the debil
     
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  19. citygator

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    Shining a light on cockroaches makes them scurry! They are scurrying right now screaming “I’m being cancelled!”.

    There is a few quick and unreasonable overreactions but I can’t think of a tragic misfortune from society holding people accountable. If someone can list the victims maybe I’ll reconsider.
     
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  20. wgbgator

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    These seem like the same things. Unaccountable, consolidated power that has no democratic or public oversight to check it.