The coming Democratic civil war

perhaps the government should take over the student loan program and offer lower interest rates than the loan terms people currently have. Students would still have to pay the loan back but it would become more affordable.

 

or maybe they should have gone to a trade school and actually learned something that could get them a real job instead of all these fluff degrees that there are no jobs for - they took out the loans they are responsible for paying them back

 

Keep sending far left dei anointed candidates and dems will keep doing their part to insure the chit show. No Hillary, no Trump. No Kamala, no Trump. 2x the dem elites chose the candidate. Both times gave us this crap. Run a real open primary. Quit picking the winner before the race

 

Hey, you're really onto something here!

Also;

Approximately 92.4% of student loan debt in the U.S. is federal, while the remaining 7.6% is private. This means that most student loans are held by the government.

 

So that makes it easier to lower interest rates since they already own the loans

 

Simple battles first. The people want closed borders. The people want safe streets and criminals kept in jail. The people do not want dudes in girls' sports. Those are some 80/20 battles that the 20% Democrats either just need to lie or stay quiet, yet they are slowly destroying the party. You can't have a successful party when a faction of the mentally ill are expressing it's okay for dudes to play in girls' sports. If you cannot make that simple decision, you can't make decisions that are difficult. These are the issues that changed the demographics of the last election.

As a party, you have to cut the Squad at the knees and discard them with intelligent, common-sense people. Governors who let dudes play in girls' sports and create sanctuary cities should be replaced in the next elections. I'd let up on the green agenda as well. Space is going to provide more energy than we will ever need. Windmills in the ocean are killing sea life, and on land, they are killing raptors and bats. They are not green. It's expensive, weak, and unreliable. Helium 3 and space solar are coming.

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I'll

 

Perhaps you should have read my entire post.

 

Perhaps there's fewer jobs for librarians as Pubs kill funding for the libraries, perhaps there's fewer jobs for art history majors as Pubs kill funding for the arts, perhaps there's fewer jobs for stage design, and human resources also. Perhaps the Pubs should make a list of the ONLY valuable degrees to them and give loans for only those... right. After all about 95% of student loan are paid back, but here's their chance to be the gov't. big brother and rule over people just the Maga way.

 

This is where voters shifted toward President Trump in each of the last three elections.


And this is where voters shifted towards Democrats


NY Times

 

It is funny how the loudest advocates for shifting students to trade schools never actually went to trade schools nor did they send their kids to trade schools.

Case in point:

Tom Nichols (@radiofreetom.bsky.social)

BTW, her fancy communications degree didn't teach her "less" vs. "fewer," apparently.

 

Yes?

 

my oldest daughter got one of those useless degrees that she never used- we paid for her school
my son got an AA and then went to the Fire Academy and is a LT with the Lake County Fire Dept- we paid for his school

we did the Fl prepaid for the 3 youngest and we were involved in the decision as to what they got their degree in all 3 got degrees in a field they could gain good paying jobs with

to some degree I blame today's parents for letting their kids pursue worthless foo foo feel good degrees- no matter what they, borrowed the money so they are on the hook to pay it back

 

So you blame yourself for your daughter's "useless degree?" Also, I notice the lack of "trade schools" on that list. It is funny how everybody else's kids should be welders but never their own kids. Almost like the concept of "revealed preference."

 

I noticed that as well
I also noticed that he pod for the degrees and isn’t looking for a handout. I do t care what degree you get if you pay for it.
get a useless degree… pay for a useless degree.
Can’t afford school.. get a trade..

 

World needs ditch diggers too...

Regardless, the ROI is generally positive on those "useless" degrees, making them not useless.

How about this- let people get rid of student debt the way they can get rid of medical debt, housing debt, or general debt (i.e., it costs a fair hit to do so) and not try to have the government try to centrally plan what training is needed for jobs?

 

I suspect what you’re seeing is sample bias - the people on a college sports message board are, by and large, people that have a college education and did at least moderately well with their college degrees (and, in the case of this board specifically, has a lot of professional and terminal degree holders as well). Those probably aren’t the people who are actively encouraging their kids to go be tradesmen instead of going to college.

That being said, I don’t think there is anything inconsistent about those same people recognizing that (if you also have the business sense necessary to do so) there are a good number of people out there who learned to be machinists, or plumbers, or electricians, or court reporters, or build fences, etc. who are doing a whole lot better for themselves than many college graduates, nor is it inconsistent with the idea that we have a lot of jobs in this country that need doing and pay pretty well that definitely don’t require a college degree - and that someone who is going to get a bad college education may be better served getting trained for one of those jobs.

Stated differently, no one is suggesting that kids should turn down their admission to Yale to learn pipe-fitting instead, but that also doesn’t mean that our goal should be for everyone to go get a four year degree that doesn’t advance their earning potential and isn’t necessary for the career they are going to wind up in.

 

Agreed. But many of them will loudly tell other people that their kids should be in trade schools.

Perhaps the issue is that they feel like they know better than those people what they should want to do when that is considered beneath them or their kids.

Who wants to have 100% college education rate? The problem is people saying that everybody who is struggling with debt should just have become a plumber, as if all people are just machines that can be repurposed. In the same way that not everybody is suited to college, not everybody is suited to trade schools either...including many of those who go to college.

 

airframe and power plant
18 months
starting $35- $45 per hour

welders, carpenters, a/c, mechanics, electricians, equipment operators,...lots of trades beyond the ditches that do well without a college degree. The challenge is the toll they take on the body.