The battle for new college

When I said "those departments" I obviously meant departments specifically focused around a specific race or gender for example, not all university departments.

 

Try explaining your point like we’re all 5, because it was YOU who randomly brought up women vs. men.

Was your point that women historically have also been “lesser citizens” in many cultures, and they too should have just accepted the status quo here or stop striving for equality at some magical cutoff point after women’s suffrage? Because if so, that would also be a rather shitty point. Women should continue to seek their full rights and full equality just like any other currently or previously disenfranchised group should seek full legal equality, whether a particular argument they make has merit is really up to the particulars of what their grievance is (women’s issues are different from racial issues - mostly centered on gender pay inequality, sexual harassment, maternity leave, access to reproductive healthcare, etc). Totally different set of arguments, and in relation to this thread colleges probably don’t need to do much “diversity outreach” toward women as in many cases enrollment already exceeds 50%. I’d say some programs are probably still inclined to attract mostly men (building construction, ag, engineering) and others mostly women (nursing, education), so I would not be opposed to efforts within programs to recruit more diversity on that basis. I see no harm in such efforts, although I also don’t see it as high priority considering the big picture of “college access” is already generally fair to women.

 

How could I not have a clue. You keep reminding us all how much you know.
We’re all very proud to know you.

 

I don't think a poster who has exclusively contributed insults in the last three pages of a thread is in a position to call anybody a troll, but hey maybe that's just me.

 

Yeah, personally I don't even know why the thread was started. It certainly wasn't to start a conversation. It looks like it was just for Slayer to "educate" all of us because he apparently is always right about all issues relating to higher education because he's been in higher education for decades. And we're just supposed to take him at his word.

Hell, Slayer should just be President of UF with how much of an authority he is on higher education.

 

In my brief experience in higher education, most professors told me that one could learn something from anyone.
Guess they were wrong.

 

I think a 5-year-old is capable of understanding my point.

 

I’m not upset. But it seems you feel threatened. It was never my intent to upset you. My sincere apologies.
The point is, and it’s a rudimentary one, that while you do know more than I regarding this subject, you lose credibility when you pound your chest.
Perhaps you know this too?

 

Well when your entire argument is appeal to authority or expertise, you're not really making a good effort to convince people. You're just telling people something and expecting them to trust you without even considering the possibility that you may be wrong.

 

Yet you refuse to explain for us slow learners.

 

No, you're being criticized because you're using your expertise to basically shut down the discussion.

You're basically saying "I'm right, you're wrong because I've been in higher education for 20 years." That's not an argument, that's an appeal to authority.

 

What can I say, you're making my job awfully difficult.

 

Two Princess Bride memes in one thread. FTW!

 

Correct, you have. But when you're backed into a corner you appeal to authority, which again is not an argument. It might be a way of bolstering your credibility but it's not an argument. Just because a ph.D. says 2 + 2 = 5 does not make it so.