Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

Swiss Town Obliterated As Glacier Melts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ncargat1, May 30, 2025.

  1. enviroGator

    enviroGator GC Hall of Fame

    5,589
    774
    368
    Apr 12, 2007
    Just to be clear, the reasons we don't have a huge acid rain problem anymore is because in the 80s we put in a cap and trade system that was very successful at controlling SO2 from power plants. Also, it is more of a "local" issue, meaning China's coal burning doesn't impact the US with regards to acid rain.

    For the ozone layer, most of the civilized world passed a ban on the refrigerants that were responsible for damaging the ozone layer, as well as required better controls on how they were used.

    The problems didn't just go away on their own. We acted like adults and addressed the problem rather than politicize it and pretend it was made up.
     
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2025 at 9:02 AM
    • Informative Informative x 1
  2. enviroGator

    enviroGator GC Hall of Fame

    5,589
    774
    368
    Apr 12, 2007
    The "issues" that went away, smog, are "short lived" issues like ozone and fine particulate. Longer term issues like CO2 didn't see much if any impact.

    Ozone has a half-life of a few hours in the lower troposphere. Cut off the pre-cursors that feed its formation (nitrogen oxides from cars being the one that dropped the most during the shutdown), and you will see very fast reductions, as we did.

    On the flip side, CO2 has a half-life of around 100 years.
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  3. antny1

    antny1 GC Hall of Fame

    5,627
    2,944
    2,698
    Dec 3, 2019
    I understand that but whether I was young and maybe too impressionable or im just misremembering the events, the message was taught as though we were on the verge of a cataclysmic event that was unlikely to be avoided.
     
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2025 at 9:08 AM
  4. enviroGator

    enviroGator GC Hall of Fame

    5,589
    774
    368
    Apr 12, 2007
    I didn't mean to say you didn't, I just wanted to stop anyone from reading your post and thinking, "See those scientists don't know what they are talking about."
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  5. antny1

    antny1 GC Hall of Fame

    5,627
    2,944
    2,698
    Dec 3, 2019
    Yes exactly. The anti science movement is disconcerting and im not sure public trust will ever recover. At least not by a certain contingent...
     
  6. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    19,136
    1,332
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Glacier had been receding since the Little Ice Age, Trump policies pushed it down the mountain …