Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by RayGator, Jun 12, 2018.
Of course you do.
Dyno is right, given that we are still officially at war with them. That is as close to an official declaration of being an enemy as possible. Handshakes in front of the same number of North Korean and US flags to celebrate getting them to sign their name to their own position for only a few concessions does not change that fact.
They weren't a nuclear threat to us before the meeting. Nothing changed on that count.
East Germany could not have taken West Germany with or without our troops being there, just like North Korea couldn't take South Korea by themselves, either. Tanks and mobile artillery pieces need gas, ammunition, spare parts and effective means of delivering them.
The collapse of communist East Germany and the re-unification of the country under the capitalist, West German model happened for the same reasons and in the same way it will happen in Korea. The leaders of the people on the side that didn't have nice stuff loosened their grip just enough, and human nature took over. People want nice stuff.
The only concession that I saw was the stopage of "military exercises" with SK. The SOS said today that those will be resumed if NK backs away from the agreement. As far as not getting anything, there were hostages returned, a destruction of a nuclear test facility and a suspension of missle testing by NK.
Is that what you were saying when President Trump was tweeting about Rocket Man and other bellicose remarks? Nothing to worry about, because North Korea wasn't a nuclear threat to us anyway?
What if the next president wants to reverse course on NK? People said the same about the Iran deal, that there would be no incentive to break it (and that was far more concrete deal with international involvement), and there really shouldn't have been. But never underestimate the stupidity of our politics.
What people were worried about was sending US troops to fight in NK over a twitter feud. Was anyone worried that NK was going to drop the big one on NYC? No.
That facility was already collapsing and was likely unusable.
North Korea nuclear test site has collapsed and may be out of action – China study
Why test missiles after already having them work?
And you don't think it is a concession to praise the leader of North Korea over and over again and talk about how beloved he is by his people? Or to have private meetings where North Korean media is now claiming that Trump promised them an end to sanctions?
They actually would have with the help of Russian "advisors." That is why we put soldiers there.
Well, we now need to protect the Kims if something happens to threaten their regime. So toss that out the window, if we plan on meeting the agreement.
The North Koreans have had several successful ICBM tests. Why keep testing them after having successful tests?
Why do we keep testing stuff? I mean the atomic bomb worked in 1945.
Please don't go down the Trump-bashers' rabbit hole of talking about who gave up what concessions. It's not about that. It's about meeting face-to-face and shaking hands on the man-to-man agreement that as a matter of basic principle, our countries -- all three -- should pursue a path toward peace rather than conflict.
President Trump has shown Kim Jong Un the way, literally and figuratively.
Do we, an established nuclear power regularly test nuclear weapons?
When's the last time we detonated a nuclear warhead in a test?