Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by RayGator, Mar 15, 2019.
I think this puts a pretty sizable hole in the "strict gun control will completely stop mass shootings" argument. Sick bastards will find a way in this day and age no matter what.
This should shock no one.
Where do you see the attackers are Christian?
It was white supremacy motivated, not religious.
New Zealand shooting: 49 dead, Australian man charged over mosque shootings -- live updates
Right Wing Terrorist if you prefer.
The comments from a right-wing Australian senator:
“I am utterly opposed to any form of violence within our community, and I totally condemn the actions of the gunman,” Queensland Sen. Fraser Anning wrote in a statement.
“However, whilst this kind of violent vigilantism can never be justified, what it highlights is the growing fear within our community, both in Australia and New Zealand, of the increasing Muslim presence.”
“The real cause of bloodshed on New Zealand streets today is the immigration program which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate to New Zealand in the first place.” Anning, a far-right independent senator from Queensland, said Muslims “may have been the victims today; usually they are the perpetrators.”
“The truth is that Islam is not like any other faith,” Anning wrote. “It is the religious equivalent of fascism. And just because the followers of this savage belief were not the killers in this instance, does not make them blameless.”
Australian lawmaker blames Muslims after white supremacist kills 49 at two New Zealand mosques
He's a sick POS.
Steve King (R) of Iowa would be proud.
It's trumps fault in 3...2...1.
It's world leaders along with Trump who have set the tone worldwide to reject immigration and push a nationalist populace agenda. Trump's actions tell us he rejects western democracy.
Your value center comes from your upbringing, environment, and society as a whole. Religion is unnecessary for that. There are plenty of good people who are not religious and plenty of evil people who are religious. Individual factors play a much bigger role in that than anything.
It's not Trump's fault. It's the evil person who committed the crimes who is at fault. However, the man did list Trump in his manifesto as somebody who inspired him. That should concern you, and it should indicate to Trump that he needs to watch his rhetoric. I remember plenty of conservatives implying that Obama was a radical Muslim, yet I don't remember Muslim terrorists crediting Obama as an inspiration for their terrorism. I imagine if they did, there would have been quite the uproar.
I'm not how you convert this to giving the green light to go massacre a bunch of people. The United States takes in more immigrants than any other country. It stands to reason that we would have the greatest concern for regulating the inflow of people. Not sure New Zealand's situation at all parallels ours.
The methods on fringe right and left are the same.
Curse New Zealand's chapter of the NRA and their lax gun laws.
You know enough about history to know that is bullcrap. That higher power also allows zealots to seize onto it and use it to mislead others. That often leads to violence and death. Think about the Crusades. Think about Jim Jones. We also have Al Qaeda and ISIS, as you mentioned. Think about the Inquisition. Faith can be used for both good and evil. It's a dangerous thing.
The keys to values are people's upbringing, environment, and society as a whole. Leaders play a key role in it. You don't need religion for good. You just need good people and good leadership.
A few people took shots at Christianity to make the point that you can't impute evil to every Christian like some posters tend to do with Muslims. I never took it as serious. Where I strongly disagree with you is in your argument that a lack of religion leads to a lack of values. That simply isn't true.
Interestingly, they do have a National Rifle Association there, and firearms are generally not registered or licensed (although individuals are licensed to own guns, but about 250K people in New Zealand (population of less than 5 million) have licenses). Also, interestingly, your attempt to go to gun control was supposedly why he used guns (beyond their ability to kill lots of people rapidly), to motivate reaction in the US, with the goal of splitting the US racially.
From the shooter's dossier:
....hailed Trump as "a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose".
The dossier stated objections to immigration and multiculturalism, and decries the "decaying" culture of the white, European, Western world.
New Zealand mosques' attack suspect praised Trump in manifesto