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  1. tampagtr

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  2. AzCatFan

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    Great piece. Unfortunately, for Trump supporters, it will fall on deaf ears. They are so interested in "winning", they don't care what the costs are.
     
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  3. lacuna

    lacuna The Conscience of Too Hot Moderator VIP Member

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    The heart of Serwer's article:
    "The insistence, by Cotton and other Trump defenders, that “the Democrats have never accepted that Donald Trump won the 2016 election, and they will never forgive him, either” has it exactly backwards. Democrats impeached Trump to preserve a democratic system in which they have a chance of winning, in which the president cannot blithely frame his rivals for invented crimes. Republicans acquitted him because they fear that a system not rigged in their favor is one in which they will never win again.

    On thursday, february 6, millions of Americans went about their lives as they would have any other day. They came home from overnight shifts, took the bus to work, made lunch for their children, cursed the traffic on their commute, or went out for a drink with friends. Yet the nation they live in may have been fundamentally changed the day before".
     
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  4. Trickster

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    This was also incisive:

    “Democracies are sustained through the formal process by which power is contested and exchanged. Once that process is corrupted, you have merely the trappings of democracy within an authoritarian regime. Such governments may retain elections and courts and legislatures, but those institutions have no power to enforce the rule of law. America is not there yet—but the acquittal vote was a fateful step in that direction.”
     
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  5. ursidman

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    Thanks for posting this and his other pieces. I very much think he has identified what we are living with. Don't understand the acceptance of this by any Americans
     
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  6. homer

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    This is what America deserves by running two crooked candidates.

    And,,,,,, if the democrats nominate another terrible candidate who loses to Trump, they will deserve their whine for four more years.

    Thanks a lot Democrats (TNC)
    for making it possible,,, and please don’t cry if it happens again.

    This is on y’all too.
     
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  7. duchen

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    What garbage. A GOP enabled president corrupts his office, abuses his power, and you blame Democrats for their nominee 4 years before. Hilary Clinton and her voters in 2016 had nothing to do with Trump’s behavior and the GOPs enablers on 2019 and 2020. Just go about your business supporting Trump and stop blaming Dems for your decisions. Because it is really on you and your fellows, not Dems who chose someone else.
     
  8. tampagtr

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    Was Jill Stein crooked too? Gary Johnson? I wasn't aware of that.

    I see now. Stein was corrupt, as a Russian stooge to help get their guy in. Makes sense now
     
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    Democrats failed America with their deplorable candidate. She was worse than a carnival barker. But hey,,, we ( I’m a registered Democrat btw) had to break that glass ceiling.

    Will we do it again and complain about where we are for another four years? Probably

    Rinse and repeat.

    Stay tooned
     
  10. G8trGr8t

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    There was a choice between a known enemy and an unknown ally. Dont discount the dem contribution towards the Trump win. If they run Bernie they will have learned nothing. And there is the real scenario where burny bros stay home again. His fervent following seem to be just as destructive to the dems as the radical right is to the pubs. Dems need to give the moderate voters a better choice. That is their responsibility if they want the moderate vote. They failed last time, let's hope they won"t this time
     
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    If the democrats can’t find someone that can beat Trump,,,,,,

    That’s worse than deplorable,,,,, it’s pitiful and pathetic.
     
  12. duchen

    duchen VIP Member

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    Vote for Trump and you get what you deserve. None of the se candidates are worse than the fringe right president we have now. What people fear is staring them in the face right now. It doesn’t matter who the Dems nominate now.
     
  13. ursidman

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    I'm a registered R and I didn't vote for the man previously and I won't vote for him this time - no matter who his opponent is. The blame rests entirely on those who voted for him. Anything else is deflection.
     
  14. homer

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    A true moderate Democrat could persuade people like me to vote for them. Unfortunately, I see the farthest left leaning Democrat winning the nomination.

    Moderation is dead in American politics
     
  15. homer

    homer GC Legend

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    Disagree. The blame is shared when the other choice is bad too.
     
  16. G8trGr8t

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    logically yes, emotionally no. people vote based on emotions
     
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    Registered pub too. People really didn't know what they were getting last time when they voted for Trump. If they vote for him again I would agree with you. I voted Libertarian hoping to get numbers up enough one day to get matching funds and better candidates. I don't think I could vote for Bernie anymore than I could vote for Hillary
     
  18. duchen

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    Then you get Trump. That simple.