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Sean Miller Out at Zona

Discussion in 'Nuttin' but Net' started by 407king, Apr 7, 2021.

  1. ApexNC

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    I see what you did there :)
     
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  2. AzCatFan

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    Name 20 programs that have been better than Arizona the last 40 years? Arizona usually lands around 12-15 in these lists. If that's not storied, then by all means, what's your definition? Only Four Final Fours and 1 Championship, but 10 Elite 8s and a number of conference championships during this time makes Arizona Basketball look favorable to almost any school except the bluest of blue bloods like Kentucky and UNC, etc.
     
  3. Crusher

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    Sometimes?
     
  4. Gatorhead5

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    You made the comparison to include Indiana, which means you are putting them in the same category of UNC, UK, KU, UCLA, and Indiana. Is Florida storied?
     
  5. AzCatFan

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    Last 30 years, Florida would be right up there with Arizona. Top 15, plus or minus. Arizona had a little head start, plus an Elite 8 loss to UCLA in the 70s pre-PAC era in the 70s.
     
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    It is the end of the season, just one year sooner. Hanging on to Miller would have made the penalties worse. At least they have the appearance of being proactive.
     
  8. AzCatFan

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    The case is already in the hands of the IARP. Arizona already self imposed a post season ban this year, with Miller as coach. What difference will canning Miller now have with the NCAA? Little to none.
     
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    Arizona fires Sean Miller, but it would have made more sense for everybody if this had been done much sooner



    Basically, Arizona missed the NCAA Tournament for three straight seasons: 2019-2021.

     
  10. RD_gator

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    Meanwhile, Kansas' Chancellor [Doug Girod], gives Bill Self a 'life-time' contract to still coach the Jay Hawks! Currently, there is no AD at Kansas.

    It may not have been intentional, but Kansas giving Bill Self a 'lifetime contract' sends a message to NCAA


     
  11. AzCatFan

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    Had Arizona fired Miller three years ago, that would have made sense, and maybe made a difference with the NCAA. Look, we washed our hands of the entire Miller admin and ready to start over after a self-imposed post-season ban. But as it happened, the timing made no sense. Miller has one year left on his contract, and Arizona is paying $1.5 million buyout. Miller even agreed to coach next year without an extension, likely because he knows he has second weekend NCAA talent returning, and it would be hard to fire him if we went deep in March next year. So what did Arizona do instead? Fire him before he had the chance to succeed!

    And nobody knows what the IARP will rule regarding penalties at schools like Kansas and Arizona. It could be a proverbial slap on the wrist, like 1-year post season ban and probation. For Arizona, this is time served and go on your way. Meanwhile, Arizona will be rebuilding with a new coach, and Miller will likely go the Kelvin Sampson route, be an NBA assistant for a while, before getting his own program again.

    As for replacements, Walton is out, and Pastner has his own NCAA issues in the recent past. Stoudamire was a great Arizona player, but 1 winning season in 5 years at Pacific doesn't scream ready to coach at Arizona. Lloyd is a top assistant at Gonzaga, but never been a head coach, and is an unknown. Mussleman is a homerun, with west coast ties, but no way Arizona can outbid Arkansas. Look at each conference's TV contracts. SEC >>> PAC-12, and Arizona is paying off Miller and Sumlin at the same time.
     
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    The only thing I can think of on the timing is some new evidence came to light while they're preparing their defense to the IARP
     
  13. number1

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    What about Beilein?
     
  14. RealGatorFan

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    Serious. You don't ever pour gas on a brush fire expecting nothing less than a forest fire.
     
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  15. AzCatFan

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    Then fire Miller three years ago, when everything broke. Or back him 100% until the bitter end. Release the NOA the day it is received and highlight the fact that the only player payment mentioned in the entire 23-page document was a loan for $500 for an Australian player to see his family. A NCAA violation that was also self reported by the program, that resulted in a 2-game suspension for the player and a complete repayment of the loan.

    But the Arizona President and AD didn't have the guts to pull the trigger on Miller three years ago, probably because Miller was popular. When Arizona missed the 2019 Tournament, the President and AD thought, one more sub-par season, and everyone will agree Miller needs to go. Only, it didn't happen. Before the season was canceled last year, Arizona was no worse than a 7-seed, playing in the PAC-12 Tournament for a chance to move up places for the big dance. This year, despite losing all 5 starters and top returning guy to injury half way into the season, Arizona was still a bubble team. Likely why the UA President and AD announced the self imposed post-season ban, without consulting Miller, midway through the season. Can't risk Miller going on a run in March.

    Miller made mistakes. He put his faith in his friend, Book Richardson. He gave Assistant Coach Mark Phelps a second chance, and that was abused as well, as Phelps was the one who loaned Pinder the money, and then turned around and did something shady to try and get Shareef O'Neal eligible. For sure, the program deserves some sort of punishment. But ask the court of public opinion, and Miller is 100% guilty of paying a number of players to come to Arizona. Yet, according to the NCAA, these allegations don't exist?

    Part of the problem has been ESPN. Mark Schlabach, a college football reporter, was fed a story of an anonymous, NBA top pick, getting paid 6 digits to attend a high profile college basketball school. Schlabach didn't do any investigating, tried to put 2 and 2 together, and came up with Ayton, than ran with the story right before Arizona was supposed to play a big game at Oregon. Miller ended up sitting out that game. Meanwhile, Arizona fans quickly noticed a problem with the story. The dates didn't match up. So what did ESPN and Schlabach do? Ran a correction with different dates, until more evidence came out that those dates wouldn't have worked either. So another correction eventually came out, and then another.

    Meanwhile, remember this story from last July? Six digits for a NBA #1 overall draft choice to go to a high profile college basketball school...and the original Schlabach story dates fit. Why haven't we heard more about this? Why is Coach Miller dirty slime, but Coach K is untouchable? Furthermore, when has the NCAA all of sudden found interest in player academic eligibility. Didn't Roy Williams win a NCAA Championship with players who took courses my 2nd grader could pass easily? Williams retires a hero, and when the NCAA looked, their response was, "This is fine!"

    I could have lived with letting Miller go three years ago and starting fresh. We were burned, and completely moving your hand away from the fire is understandable. But we didn't do that, and it should have been ride or die with Miller until everything plays out and the IARP/NCAA hands out punishment. And now, we're looking at replacing Miller with either a career assistant who has never run his own program, or an alum who in five years, has a .480 winning percentage.