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Discussion in 'GatorTail Pub' started by Go2gtr, Feb 3, 2020.

  1. n210sgator

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    Provocative attire, by DEFINITION, provokes a response.
    And yes, if you dress like a whore expect to be approached as if you are.
    I have three daughters and I most definitely taught them that the way they dress projects the image others will perceive.
     
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  2. GCNumber7

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    This attitude is exactly the problem. Blame the victim.
     
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  3. shelbygt350

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    As I expected, I'm labeled a wacko, prude, uptight or whatever. That may be your opinion of me as a person. But your opinion does not define me.

    I oft time tend to think, reflect, on what I heard, saw or experienced. And what I wrote is what I came away with.

    One of you professed we are a melting pot, great, all 4 of my grandparents came from another country legally, I might add. One of my parents learned 4 languages. But accepting people of other cultures does not mean we "must" accept the perversions of those cultures. Should we likewise accept wife beating from the Middle East, or Mafia families from Italy, or cannibalism from some African tribes, or even Aztec human sacrifices? Of course not.

    Instead of accepting the perverse, why dont we accept the "good" , the uplifting from other cultures.

    But here I disagree, I do not believe that the SB half time show should celebrate: sex, using young girls as sex objects or support performers to a sexual performance, use of a faux snake in a performance, religious symbols of other cultures, implications of Satanic worship, etc.

    On one hand our culture, our nation, promotes and mouths support of women as equal in the workforce, women as people not objects (btw porn objectifies them), and all that goes with trying to stop abuse of women (see Harvey Weinstein trial, Bill Cosby, NFL and college football players who abuse women, etc). Yet the NFL and Pepsi turn around and parade women on the half time show as just that, sex objects.

    Just because you may "feel" that the SB performance was good or entertaining to you, does not negate these facts: (1) sex trafficking is a major problem in the USA and the SB week is the pinnacle, (2) use of young girls as support performers is totally inappropriate.
     
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  4. GatorMatt06

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    Yikes. Definitely a generational gap here but women shouldn’t be treated like whores because of what they’re wearing. A short skirt isn’t an excuse for raping a girl because “she was asking for it.”
     
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  5. chemgator

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    What should happen and what does happen are often two different things. Wearing a short skirt may not be an excuse for raping a girl to a civilized male, but not all males are civilized. I have to raise my daughter to deal with all the males she will encounter, civilized and not civilized alike. Which reminds me, I need to sign her up for karate class . . .
     
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  6. WhattaGator

    WhattaGator "Where's The Beef"?? (Or the crabcakes, etc.)... VIP Member "Cook Shack Chef"

    Of course not......but...
    When said woman decides to "flaunt" that very same short skirt in a provocative manner, doiesn't mean she should get raped...but definitely starts to potentially get in to trouble..
     
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  7. n210sgator

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    Rape?
    No one said anything about rape.
    Short skirt?
    I’m not sure anyone was wearing a skirt on that halftime show.
    I did see a lot of pelvises thrust into the camera lens…
    TREATED like whores?
    I said “dress like a whore and expect to be APPROACHED as if you are“
    Presenting oneself in an overtly sexual manner will elicit an appropriate response.
    Generational gap? Sadly, I guess that is true.
    Oh - and GTF off of my lawn!
     
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  8. StrengthAndHonor

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    Cant say i was 'offended' by the show, but i get where some are coming from to an extent. You don't need an over-choreagraghed, over-sexed show to connect with an audience. Id rather have something with substance. There's something cheap and desperate about it. Its akin to a hollywood movie with 100 f-bombs and a detailed sex scene vs one with a moving, well written plot and great acting.
    Give me powerful heart felt vocal performance or a great band any day over the watered down theatrical trend we have now.
     
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  9. GatorMatt06

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    Old man shouting into the sky about how the world is going to hell in a handbasket and the new generation is off the rails.

    A story as old as time haha.
     
  10. GatorMatt06

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    I mean I totally agree that we should teach our children about reality and how to deal with it but when I see someone still saying women should expect to be approached like whores (which honestly is just disgusting to read IMO) then I think it’s showing people still perpetuate the wrong attitude. Should you be prepared in case guys are being inappropriate because of how you dress? Sure. Should you expect it to happen and just accept that it’s going to happen? Hell no.
     
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  11. scooterp

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    We’re still talking about this??,

    I guess I missed the part of the show where they flashed boobs, felt each other up and started grinding with one another. it may not have been your cup of tea ...it wasn’t mine either, but the criticisms are so over the top it’s become silly.
     
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  12. zman-1

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    My daughter now has her 2nd degree blackbelt! Considered one of the top in her class academically and able to break an attacker in half if needed. Young men should tread carefully.
     
  13. shelbygt350

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    The fact that your daughter ( and one of mine too) do self defense, my youngest can also handle a gun, is a sad commentary on the USA today.

    Just seems to me that we over emphasize sex. Maybe we should over emphasize personal responsibility and critical thinking. :) :)
     
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  14. GatorSean

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    To summarize-

    Satanic Whores who Objectify Women and Exploit Children:

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    America's Team:
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  15. GatorGrowl

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    Moving to the pub
     
  16. n210sgator

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  17. tegator80

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    Rape (real and not this silliness we have today): nope.
    Unwanted attention from the typical male doofus: damn right. It is called "playing with fire" and anyone who does not understand and respect human nature is going to get burned.
     
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  18. tegator80

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    This to me is a step too far. The real issue, IMO, is that we want to give women the freedom to explore the world in their own ways instead of having to rely on male chivalry to survive. That is a double-edged sword. Too many males are not wired for chivalry and that isn't a modern incarnation. And so "Little Red Riding Hood" goes into the forest and she better be prepared for the wolves.

    My pat answer? Be the parent and don't leave it up to society to raise them. And to a much wiser (IMO) parenting philosophy: restraining is not training. If all we do is lock them up until they turn 18, we have set our toy poodles out onto the real world without any real skill. Life is complex. Believing it isn't won't make it any less so.
     
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  19. GatorMatt06

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    lol this just shows what I’m talking about. The world may be a crap place but it definitely won’t get better if you think white knights need to be available to save women. Women can and should be able to get along on their own just like men. Not sure why this is some mentality old timers keep wanting to propagate (I guess it’s a power thing, nice to have control and to be needed) but things will never change until the mentality changes.

    Again it makes sense to prepare women for the worst but we should all work towards making it so women don’t need a man just to walk outside. It’s asinine.

    And none of this has anything to do with a friggin dance at the Super Bowl wearing basically what cheerleaders wear at EVERY DAMN GAME. Lol
     
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  20. AzCatFan

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    I have a 14-year old daughter. Blonde hair, blue eyes, 5'1" and 100 pounds. She's already garnered plenty of attention. Know what I tell her to wear? Anything she damn well pleases. If this garners unwanted attention from boys, I've encouraged her to speak up and tell them exactly that. If the boys still behave poorly, that's not her problem. That's the boys' problem.

    I also have a son. I'm teaching him to be respectful of women. Not much of a problem, since he's younger than his sister, and absolutely adores her. Men are going to look, sure, but we are not animals in heat. We have the ability to control our actions and treat women with respect at all times. It really isn't that difficult. And for men who claim a woman wearing a short skirt made him do something bad is only placing the blame on the wrong person.

    To people who say the SB Halftime show goes against the MeToo movement are missing the point. The point is women can't express their sexuality if they want to be taken seriously, it's women have control over their sexuality, and can flaunt it if and when they want to. Last year, the Maroon 5 singer took his shirt off at half time, and nobody is claiming you can't take men seriously. Why the double standard with women? It's not like plenty of women didn't look.
     
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